Rank these fighters in order of skill level and accomplishments Amatuer and pro

[The Comic DON]

1. Loma
2. Golovkin
3. Kovalev
4. Beterbiev

[HeadShots]

Dude that was his second professional fight, though. His second. Fighting a two division world champion. And he still nearly won.

that was also a salido after many many wars. especially those 2 against juanma. his style doesn't last long. he wasfor the picking. check the odds for the fight. loma was the clear favorite going into the fight.


It's Salido's style that bothered Loma. Loma has the most successful amateur style but in the pros i still see him getting smothered by the right opponent.



3rdly, trust me. I had money on Loma. Salido beat him decisively imo.

[CoachMac34]

Amateur - Loma, GGG, Kovalev, Beterbiev. (Pros) Kovalev, GGG, Loma, Beterbiev. I like this topic and you can also throw Rigo in this too. For casuals that complain about GGG's resume', take a good look at these names. There's a reason that GGG (something like 345-5 amateur record), Loma (arguably greatest amateur ever), and Rigo have thin resumes'. They're 3 of the greatest/most accomplished amateur fighters in boxing history, so other pros (their teams) aren't very interested in getting into the same ring with these guys and I like to think that they know more about boxing than the rest of us.

[Mike D]

that was also a salido after many many wars. especially those 2 against juanma. his style doesn't last long. he wasfor the picking. check the odds for the fight. loma was the clear favorite going into the fight.


It's Salido's style that bothered Loma. Loma has the most successful amateur style but in the pros i still see him getting smothered by the right opponent.



3rdly, trust me. I had money on Loma. Salido beat him decisively imo.

Yeah good points. It would be nice to see him tested again from that style standpoint. Personally my guess would be that he has learned a lot since that loss and is light years ahead of the Loma that we saw in that particular fight -- but we really won't know until he is tested similarly again.

[yngwie]

GGG:
AMATEUR:He was a really impressive amateur, world champion and olympic silver medalist, his run at the 2003 world championship was one of the best i've seen, Lucian Bute, Matvey Korobov, Andy Lee, Yordanis Despaigne and also holds wins over Andre Dirrell and Daniele Geale.
Pro:To be fair, Kazakhstan has a great amateur system, so i don't blame him for turning pro kinda late considering that really good pro offers to Kazak fighters didn't exist, actually, Vassily Jirov is the only famous boxer that ever came from Kazakhstan, he certainly has a dominant resume, with only 3 fights going the distance, his opposition whatsoever hasn't been as good as it should, on big part because he is avoided but on part because he was an undiscovered gem for most of his pro career, any other fighter today is destroying the competition at any level besides him.
Skills:Gennady like almost any top amateur, has top skills, he isn't a pretentious wannabe fighter, he fights the way his talent and skill lets him, great at punch selection, great at cutting the distance, great body puncher, great technique, and if you watch his amateur fights, you can see him outboxing all type of fighters.

Lomachenko:
Amateur:Vasyl is one of the best amateurs of all time, two time world champ and two time olympic champ and one time world silver medalist, with a record of 396-1 with that loss coming at the hands of the great Albert Selimov, loss that he avenged TWICE.
He was the most dominant fighter in the world for years, barely losing single rounds, to be fair, the aiba loved him so he got the nod in every close fight he was (that weren't many), he owns wins over Oscar Valdez, Felix Verdejo, Jose Ramirez and this year two of the olympic champions in Rio were victims of Lomachenko, Concencaio and Fazzlidin, both at the world champs of 2011, he also won the Val Barker trophy in 2008.
Pro:Lomachenko won his title in only his third professional bout, fought a ten rounder in his debut winning against a decent fighter in Jose Ramirez, has faced three world champs in 7 fights, two division world champ and will face a tough challenge in Nicholas Walters, what i like about Lomachenko is that he isn't afraid of anyone and really wants to make history in the sport, he really enjoys and loves boxing, we have hundreds or thousands of undefeated boxers, but how many of them had faced the tests of Lomachenko?.
Skills:What hasn't being said about Lomachenko's skill?, he is one of the fighters that innovate, that you see and ask where you have seen that, but you haven't, he is fresh and unique, great at picking punches, fast, explosive, accurate, with great footwork and selection of angles, good body puncher, excellent defense, looks too good to be real.

Beterbiev:
Amateur:Beterbiev was eliminated twice in the olympics (2008, 2012), he arguably won both times.
Was bronze medalist and champion at the world championships.
He is probably the hardest puncher in amateur boxing post 1992, i have never seen a fighter knocking down so many fighters after the incursion of the new gloves.
Pro:He is unproven yet, looked dominating against not so good opposition, but with a lot of layoffs, he was tagged and knocked down in one fight, but that happens to a lot of good boxers.
He clearly needs to fight more often since he isn't really young, but sure can be a world champ.
Skill:He is a really skilled operator, knows how to work the body and how to use his combinations, is really strong and can cut the ring pretty well, also is a huge, HUGE puncher, but his opposition has making him a little messy with his defense, probably will become smarter when he steps up (but needs to do it).

Kovalev:
Amateur:Kovalev was a decorated amateur in mid 2000's, fought in some decent duals on which Wilder also fought, but Beterbiev took his place in the olympic team.
Kovalev was also knocked out by the olympic bronze medalist and two time world champion, Abbos Atoev.
Pro:Kovalev is probably the purest puncher in boxing, with decent skill and patience he has a build respect among the fans and will become the best p4p fighter in the world if he can beat Ward.
Skill:Kovalev surely has underrated skill, he possesses smart footwork, good feinting, good body punching, a lot of power and is good setting his power punches, he wouldn't have gone where he is without skill.

[NearHypnos]

that was also a salido after many many wars. especially those 2 against juanma. his style doesn't last long. he wasfor the picking. check the odds for the fight. loma was the clear favorite going into the fight.


It's Salido's style that bothered Loma. Loma has the most successful amateur style but in the pros i still see him getting smothered by the right opponent.



3rdly, trust me. I had money on Loma. Salido beat him decisively imo.

Cheating ass Salido who didnt bother to make weight? I'd take Loma in a heartbeat in a rematch. As the fight progressed it became evident Loma was the better of the two but the pacing obviously bothered him. I chalk that one up to inexperience not Salido being a better fighter and I think that is a huge distinction to make. It's kind of ironic that he lost to that "mexican" type of style in that it's honed in the pros not the amateurs and that experience was the key. Salido had a good 40ish pro fights on him. I doubt anyone can come into their 2nd pro fight and go 12 with a Salido caliber fighter holding a size advantage over them. I don't hold that loss against Loma too badly because I really think he's the better fighter. I doubted he'd beat Salido because of that same experience factor.


I think pros goes Kov, Loma, GGG, and Beterbiev coming in a light year away in 4th.

Kovalev has the resume, Loma has the talent and practically has a better resume than GGG..so they kind of by default go in that order.


GGG suffers from being in a weight class where the talent is a weight class away and he needs to desperately shoot for 168 or get a hold of Canelo to get that signature fight.

Kovalev is an Andre Ward win away from being indisputably #1 p4p (vice versa for Ward). He also had Hopkins and would still have Adonis and others on the come up. Loma is fighting a beast in Walters coming up and there are great options for him around.

Beterbiev is some fights away from being in the discussion.


Amateurs I think someone else had it right.

Loma is by far the stud here followed by GGG, Beterbiev, and Kovalev. Kovalev as far as I know is kind of distant here..amateur wise. Admittedly...I'd have to do some research to confirm but I recall someone on this site saying he didnt win anything major ever? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Talent wise and skill wise it's a toss up. They're all on different spectrums of the game with Kovalev being somewhere in between Loma and GGG stylistically. Kovalev, GGG, and even Beterbiev have terrifying type if power..but Loma has enviable vision, legs, speed, and is just an overall wizard in the ring. Loma outside of a stoppage loss I don't see anyone outboxing him anymore or beating him. He just seem so much better than his comp that I really think he'll only lose by KO.

[Dip_Slide]

Amateur is clear:

1 Loma (with possibly the best Am record in history he better be)
2 GGG
3 Beterbiev
4 Kovalev (overlooked by his national team in favour of Beterbiev - though the reasons were political according to Sergei)

Now I'm going to break this down twice for the pros into ability and accomplishment.

Ability / Talent

1 Loma
2 GGG (tough call but I think GGG is the more technically proficient)
3 Kovalev
4 Beterbiev

Accomplishments

1 Kovalev (both have 3 belts but Kovalev had the tougher route)
2 GGG (The dominance and number of defences impress, the quality less so)
3 Loma - Outstanding start and a couple of good scalps but without the longevity - yet.
4 Beterbiev. Early days man, yet to get off the mark as a championship level fighter. Frightening power though.

Very reasonable!

[LetOutTheCage]

I don't know too much about Beterbiev so I cant really comment on him.

Skill:
Loma
Kov
GGG

Amatuer:
Loma
GGG
Kov

Accomplishments:
Kov
GGG
Loma

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Loma is easily at the top.
Beterbiev
GGG
Kovalev

If it were only on Pro achievements then Beterbiev would be at the bottom but other than that same order.

Skill:
Loma
Kovalev
GGG
Beterbiev

[NEETzsche]

loma is on another level to the others in terms of ability and amateur accomplishments. i'm sure that by the time he is retired he will have the best pro record too

then GGG > kovalev > beterbiev

beterbiev was a better amateur than kov but kov's pro accomplishments are far, far ahead. beterbiev has done nothing yet, and he's the least skilled of the four