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  • Barrera and Marquez were able to hold onto the WBC and duck Pacquiao for two years?

    In January 2006 Manny Pacquiao beat Erik Morales in a final eliminator and became #1 contender and the mandatory challenger for the WBC Super Featherweight title. This was also a first defence of his WBC International title which he'd won in his previous fight.

    Marco Antonio Barrera had made the second defence of the WBC title, and unified it with Robbie Peden's IBF title in September 2005. Barrera vacated the IBF soon after but hung onto the WBC title. However, his next fight was not against mandatory challenger Pacquaio.

    His next defence came 4 months after Pacquiao became mandatory, against Rocky Juarez. Juarez's most recent dealings with the WBC had been losing a fight for the Interim title in the division below, around the time Barrera beat Peden. As it happened, Juarez gave Barrera a competitive fight which was announced as a draw before being ammended to a Barrera SD. An immediate rematch happened for whatever reason and Barrera won a lot clearer.

    Meanwhile Manny defended his International title 2 more times, against Oscar Larios and a rematch with Erik Morales, avenging an earlier loss. Then instead of finally facing his mandatory, Barrera dropped the title to Juan Manuel Marquez. In the meantime Manny defended his International belt again, against Jorge Solis.

    So now, Manny was still mandatory, JMM held the belt and Barrera had been dethroned. So surely the JMM-Manny fight happened? Not quite. Manny was forced to wait again, whilst Rocky Juarez was given a third shot at the title. Barrera finally agreed to face Manny though, losing a clear decision.

    Finally, in March 2008, 26 months after becoming mandatory challenger, Manny Pacquaio fought for and won (disputedly) the full WBC Super Featherweight title. In the time between Manny had 4 fights, the title was defended 4 times, 3 of those times Rocky Juarez was the challenger.

    A strange anomaly.

    If Pacquiao had got his shot in Spring 2006, he'd have been a belt hold in a division with no rush to move up. That same year Edwin Valero captured the WBA World title. What a fight that would have been. The IBF title went through purgatory for a few years being held by fringe level fighters. The WBO was captured by a prime Joan Guzman in the summer of 2006. Another mouthwatering prospect of a fight.

    Instead the belt was held hostage by Barrera and Marquez, in what is perhaps most aptly described as the Rocky Juarez horror show.

  • #2
    Well Top Rank and GBP were at odds and TR wanted to do Pacquaio-Morales III in late 2006 so that paved the way for Marquez-Barrera and then by the time both were willing to work together GBP had one more fight for Barrera so cashed him out and TR was more than happy with that leaving Marquez to play the waiting game once again.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by chrisJS View Post
      Well Top Rank and GBP were at odds and TR wanted to do Pacquaio-Morales III in late 2006 so that paved the way for Marquez-Barrera and then by the time both were willing to work together GBP had one more fight for Barrera so cashed him out and TR was more than happy with that leaving Marquez to play the waiting game once again.
      I dont think TR had Pacquiao until the third fight. I think Pacquiao was in the process of that big mess with Murad Muhammad and then the three shady managers. Then he signed with GBP after Oscar met him with a bag of money and then signed with TR weeks later.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OctoberRed View Post
        I dont think TR had Pacquiao until the third fight. I think Pacquiao was in the process of that big mess with Murad Muhammad and then the three shady managers. Then he signed with GBP after Oscar met him with a bag of money and then signed with TR weeks later.
        They had been working on Pacquaio though and were firmly about finishing that series and signing Pacquaio. I believe the 3rd fight was his first officially as a full-time TR fighter.

        Bottom line is that Pacquaio vs. Barrera and Marquez II were very difficult to make until after Marquez-Barrera. Any theories about the WBC playing favorites with Marquez would be untrue also. Nacho Beristain did not trust the WBC and the WBC clearly had a vendetta with him and Marquez. Interestingly the only reason Marquez-Barrera for the WBC happened is because Oscar De La Hoya told the WBC he won't defend his title against Mayweather if they didn't sanction the fight. The WBC didn't want Marquez to fight for their title.
        Last edited by chrisJS; 01-10-2018, 11:03 AM.

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        • #5
          I guess Barrera's camp knew what would happen too in a Pacquiao fight, since Manny wore him down and stopped him late when he did finally get a fight with Barrera. Does a prime or even a little younger Barrera have a shot against a young Pacquiao anyway though?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by chrisJS View Post
            They had been working on Pacquaio though and were firmly about finishing that series and signing Pacquaio. I believe the 3rd fight was his first officially as a full-time TR fighter.

            Bottom line is that Pacquaio vs. Barrera and Marquez II were very difficult to make until after Marquez-Barrera. Any theories about the WBC playing favorites with Marquez would be untrue also. Nacho Beristain did not trust the WBC and the WBC clearly had a vendetta with him and Marquez. Interestingly the only reason Marquez-Barrera for the WBC happened is because Oscar De La Hoya told the WBC he won't defend his title against Mayweather if they didn't sanction the fight. The WBC didn't want Marquez to fight for their title.
            There was a huge lawsuit over Pacquiao and they had that resolution where GBP got a taste of Pacquiao for the next few years while TR was lead promoter and they made the Barrera rematch as part of the settlement.

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            • #7
              A mandatory not getting a title shot immediately is not so unusual, plus it is not secret Barrera really did not want a Pacquiao rematch until he realised his best bet at a big fight was it. These things happen, it is boxing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MisterHardtop View Post
                A mandatory not getting a title shot immediately is not so unusual, plus it is not secret Barrera really did not want a Pacquiao rematch until he realised his best bet at a big fight was it. These things happen, it is boxing.
                Especially in this era where almost nobody gets stripped for ignoring mandatories.

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                • #9
                  Crazy because in those years I always viewed Barrera as Mr. "Mas Macho".

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OctoberRed View Post
                    Especially in this era where almost nobody gets stripped for ignoring mandatories.
                    Well some are justified though. Remember when Hopkins was middleweight champ and just dominated a mandatory, followed by Larry Merchant asking him afterwards "Aren't you embarrassed?" Who was that anyway? Wasn't that towards the end of his run at middle?

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