Naseem Hamed or Antonio Tarver who place's higher on a all time great list?

[The_Demon]

Hamed and it isnt close

[$Bullsfam$]

Seriously? It's Tarver and it's not even close. Nobody wants to give the man ANY credit. It's ridiculous. Roy Jones won a really close fight in the 1st fight so he obviously wasn't past his best then. Tarver ended Roy Jones Jr's prime. Glenn Johnson destroyed whatever was left. Then Tarver lost to Glenn in a good close fight, but Tarver easily avenged it in the 2nd fight.

Antonio Tarver ended Roy Jones Jr's prime and superman status. Hamed lost to the only great fighter he fought in Barrera. He was only popular because he was flashy, but that doesn't make resume. His division wasn't too hott either. Not to mention Tarver still could win the cruiserweight title this summer.

[CarlosG815]

Seriously? It's Tarver and it's not even close. Nobody wants to give the man ANY credit. It's ridiculous. Roy Jones won a really close fight in the 1st fight so he obviously wasn't past his best then. Tarver ended Roy Jones Jr's prime. Glenn Johnson destroyed whatever was left. Then Tarver lost to Glenn in a good close fight, but Tarver easily avenged it in the 2nd fight.

Antonio Tarver ended Roy Jones Jr's prime and superman status. Hamed lost to the only great fighter he fought in Barrera. He was only popular because he was flashy, but that doesn't make resume. His division wasn't too hott either. Not to mention Tarver still could win the cruiserweight title this summer.

I see eye to eye with you most of the time but I think you are underrating Hamed a bit.

Watch his fights closely, and take a closer look at the resume. It's better than he gets credit for and the Hamed that fought Barrera was not the best version of Hamed by a longshot.

I gotta go with Hamed here. Tarver beating Jones is impressive but I think that Hamed was the more skilled fighter, did more for the sport, and I found it very impressive how he came to the US and handled Kevin Kelley.

Cesar Soto and Augie Sanchez were both solid wins. Augie was an excellent fighter and Naz beat the **** out of him. Watch Naseem put him into a coma.

[PRINCE O' PROSE]

I see eye to eye with you most of the time but I think you are underrating Hamed a bit.

Just a bit.



"He was only popular because he was flashy, but that doesn't make résumé."

No, what makes a resume is establishing a looooooong-ass reign at the top of a weight-class by beating up (brutally knocking out, in most cases) a string of past, contemporaneous and future titlists and game contenders, unifying belts and roughing up whichever alpha titlists he could put hands on.




I don't understand why cats can't leave their belligerent attitudes at the door of the History section (to spare us these hideously wrong categorical statements). I can be as belligerent as anyone, and yet I still do it, for the good of the subforum. Maybe it's just poor breeding, lack of education etc.

Farewell.

[Alec900]

Wait a minute, excuse me, he beat Rocky Balboa!

balboa was robbed!!!

[IronDanHamza]

Seriously? It's Tarver and it's not even close. Nobody wants to give the man ANY credit. It's ridiculous. Roy Jones won a really close fight in the 1st fight so he obviously wasn't past his best then. Tarver ended Roy Jones Jr's prime. Glenn Johnson destroyed whatever was left. Then Tarver lost to Glenn in a good close fight, but Tarver easily avenged it in the 2nd fight.

Antonio Tarver ended Roy Jones Jr's prime and superman status. Hamed lost to the only great fighter he fought in Barrera. He was only popular because he was flashy, but that doesn't make resume. His division wasn't too hott either. Not to mention Tarver still could win the cruiserweight title this summer.

Roy Jones showed in the first Tarver fight he was quite visiblly on the slide.

You're underrating Hamed's resume. He has solid names and a solid reign.

Much more than Tarver does, atleast.

[Scott9945]

Seriously? It's Tarver and it's not even close. Nobody wants to give the man ANY credit. It's ridiculous. Roy Jones won a really close fight in the 1st fight so he obviously wasn't past his best then. Tarver ended Roy Jones Jr's prime. Glenn Johnson destroyed whatever was left. Then Tarver lost to Glenn in a good close fight, but Tarver easily avenged it in the 2nd fight.

Antonio Tarver ended Roy Jones Jr's prime and superman status. Hamed lost to the only great fighter he fought in Barrera. He was only popular because he was flashy, but that doesn't make resume. His division wasn't too hott either. Not to mention Tarver still could win the cruiserweight title this summer.

Tarver won (and lost) to RJ and Johnson. Other than that, what? Hamed beat at least 10 former, current, or future world champions. If it wasn't for a famous one punch KO, Tarver would have been considered an average 175 lb champion.

[CarlosG815]

Tarver won (and lost) to RJ and Johnson. Other than that, what? Hamed beat at least 10 former, current, or future world champions. If it wasn't for a famous one punch KO, Tarver would have been considered an average 175 lb champion.

I agree Scott. But we can't discredit the KO altogether, he is an above average champion. Great fighter Tarver was, but Naz was special. Naz is one of those once in a lifetime guys.

[Scott9945]

I agree Scott. But we can't discredit the KO altogether, he is an above average champion. Great fighter Tarver was, but Naz was special. Naz is one of those once in a lifetime guys.

Oh I loved that KO. It made me money and it made me happy.

Definitely one of the most memorable KO's I've ever seen.

[baya]

Just a bit.



"He was only popular because he was flashy, but that doesn't make résumé."

No, what makes a resume is establishing a looooooong-ass reign at the top of a weight-class by beating up (brutally knocking out, in most cases) a string of past, contemporaneous and future titlists and game contenders, unifying belts and roughing up whichever alpha titlists he could put hands on.




I don't understand why cats can't leave their belligerent attitudes at the door of the History section (to spare us these hideously wrong categorical statements). I can be as belligerent as anyone, and yet I still do it, for the good of the subforum. Maybe it's just poor breeding, lack of education etc.

Farewell.

You're looking more into it than you need to.

Really, unlearned? Seriously sounding like a scorned woman with a venomous tongue right now that can't grasp the idea of the reality of a difference in opinion.

Any fighter that steps up in competition and then quits just like the woman you're portraying to be in your posts is NOT better than Tarver.

Get your head out of your ass, its Tarver,