FOX Sports: "Ruiz vs Wilder will be for PBC Heavyweight title"

[DaNeutral.]

Source: https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/s...135501829?s=19

The end of corrupt sanctioning bodies is near.

Was this not just meant to be an internal memo? So this holds no interest what so ever to any fighter outside of the PBC and should hold no interest to any Boxing fan. I dont care about who is the best at anything only within 1 promotional company. I want to know who the best is at the weight across the sport like we are meant to have.

But i find some of these Belt organizations to be an absolute disgrace to the sport so maybe it is time to take some of the power off them. But the PBC are a disgrace so id rather it were not them taking a stand, although i dont take this as being a stand but more of a massive DUCK of the best fighters in the divisions.

[Curt Henning]

No one is selling PPVs, only Canelo or Pacquiao would be able to consistently sell above 500k PPVs with the right opponent. The money doesn't mean crap in this climate. You have GGG with a very small fanbase making 100m over 7 fights. Danny Jacobs making 12M to fight Canelo and over 5M to fight Chavez Jr. Jose Ramirez making over 4M to fight Hooker. Every semi marketable fighter is making good money right now, I've been saying for a while it's a bubble.

AJ and Canelo are the only superstars in the sport, period.

canelo, pac and golovkin arent american born fighters...and that was my point.....the american born pbc guys are doing pretty well for themselves

danny is the rare exception of an american, outside the pbc, that has been making real good money lately....but thats partly because of DAZN being new and throwing a bunch of money around because they have to

remember when roc nation started doing boxing...and they were paying guys like cotto and ward alot of money? some said "overpaying"? because any new outfit is going to have to throw money around to attract name fighters and make big fights.....DAZN guys recently said thats all about to slow down ....they will no longer be throwing out big money to opponents

and DAZN is the reason wilder got 10 mil for breazeale! they wanted to pay him 20 for it! lol...they wanted to pay him 20 for it for an AJ deal when AJ wasnt even signed with them! and then AJ lost the fight that was going to happen even if they did reach a deal so wilder STILL wouldnt be fighting AJ yet!!!

wilder is doing fine and i dont think hes complaining one bit the way his haters are about his money and where he is

[UNBANNED]

I’d rather this than the Franchise or Regular BS.

It's the same garbage.

[Inspired]

spence was doing very well and building momentum untill he likely messed that up big time by being stupid

wilder will have made more in his last 3 than any current US fighter has in their career

tank davis just turned 25 last week...he already sold out in his hometown...hes been on 7 straight showtime/ppv cards....he makes, in the ballpark, the same amount per fight as #1 p4p loma does.....and he just turned 25

the pbc guys are doing just fine......does oscar or bob arum have any other US born fighters out there killing it? does eddie hearn have any US fighters out there selling tons of ppvs and making huge bucks?!?!

LOL...NO!

bruv, seriously, im going to rant and talk some **** here but read on...

what you're conveniently not taking into account is that the money Wilder is making has only increased in relation to the presence of Anthony Joshua and Dazn/eddie hearn in the US market. Take aj out of the game, wilder would be as irrelevant as he was 2 yrs back.

The irony is that a top American, World HW champion should be making scary amounts of money..
Wilder should actually be making twice what AJ makes. HE should be the one elevating the division, not AJ.
If pbc actually did their job from the get go, Wilder would be the face of American boxing.

basically wilder should have been pushed to fight the klitschko's 5-6 yrs back. he should have been the one knocking on every door and making noise and moving upwards with the momentum.

a top promoter builds hype around a fighter by pushing for those big fights. say what you want about eddie hearn
all he does is
'tevin farmer wants to fight tank davis'
'devin haney wants loma'
'andrade wants canelo or ggg'
and he means it..he isnt just using names like wilder does..he wants those fights for his fighters
worst case scenario, they lose..but get a decent payday, enough to retire on.

pbc don't do that. they're very insular and controlling.

[Marchegiano]

There hasn't been an undisputed heavyweight champion for twenty years. If the choice is five belts spread around or one premier belt, the public is going to prefer one premier belt.

You guys lose sight of the fact that millions of people are watching PBC that weren't watching boxing before. PBC training camp footage is doing more viewers than TR main events. It's not going to happen over night, but as far as the US is concerned, PBC as the UFC of boxing and TR as the distant Bellator is inevitable.

Yeah, and it's been about twenty years since the HW division was actually popular.

Fury, Bud, and Loma make a pretty good anti-PBC argument and boxing has always done well with juxtaposition marketing.

Ol' Arum could just chill, let the PBC finance and idea, and then sweep it out from under them and it wouldn't be the first time.

I mean, Arum was around before Don King invented the PPV and after Don King stopped having the ability to put on PPVs. Dude's got staying power and guile.

Finally, don't mistake me, I don't mean any of this definitively. I could see it all working out as you've described, I can see it just being another cluster ****, and I can see a dark horse style situation where one or more piggyback off the success of the original ending in succession of the original.

I mean...DK invented the PPV and does not own boxing outright. PPV kinda does, but King doesn't and it ain't even close.

[rickJen]

Positive thing that may come out is these Pathetic Boxing Champs
may no longer have any excuse not to fight each other.
Took years and long line of bums before they fought each other,
Thurman, Garcia, Porter, and Spence finally had Porter, and Garcia stepping up to fight Errol.

Lara vs the Charlo twins never happened.
Lara vs Andrade
Andrade vs Charlo
Charlo vs Jacobs,

etc...

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

Yeah, and it's been about twenty years since the HW division was actually popular.

Fury, Bud, and Loma make a pretty good anti-PBC argument and boxing has always done well with juxtaposition marketing.

Ol' Arum could just chill, let the PBC finance and idea, and then sweep it out from under them and it wouldn't be the first time.

Fury, Bud and Loma are all struggling to sell tickets in the US. TR has no interesting opponents for them.

PBC doesn't need every top fighter RIGHT NOW. They just need to keep increasing their percentage every year and slowly starve off TR.

If the PBC takeover is ultimately successful, it won't be something that happens overnight. It's a process. Every year, Haymon's power grows. As long as that keeps happening, he comes closer and closer to achieving the UFC business model. PBC may not literally put TR out of business, but eventually the public will perceive PBC as being the clear major league and TR as the second rate outfit.

[Marchegiano]

Fury, Bud and Loma are all struggling to sell tickets in the US. TR has no interesting opponents for them.

PBC doesn't need every top fighter RIGHT NOW. They just need to keep increasing their percentage every year and slowly starve off TR.

If the PBC takeover is ultimately successful, it won't be something that happens overnight. It's a process. Every year, Haymon's power grows. As long as that keeps happening, he comes closer and closer to achieving the UFC business model. PBC may not literally put TR out of business, but eventually the public will perceive PBC as being the clear major league and TR as the second rate outfit.

Could certainly see that playing out.

[MulaKO]

Now we can see clearly the difference between actual boxing fans and the platform fans

And obviously , as more posts come in , you see that this will not workout for anybody

[Curt Henning]

bruv, seriously, im going to rant and talk some **** here but read on...

what you're conveniently not taking into account is that the money Wilder is making has only increased in relation to the presence of Anthony Joshua and Dazn/eddie hearn in the US market. Take aj out of the game, wilder would be as irrelevant as he was 2 yrs back.

The irony is that a top American, World HW champion should be making scary amounts of money..
Wilder should actually be making twice what AJ makes. HE should be the one elevating the division, not AJ.
If pbc actually did their job from the get go, Wilder would be the face of American boxing.

basically wilder should have been pushed to fight the klitschko's 5-6 yrs back. he should have been the one knocking on every door and making noise and moving upwards with the momentum.

a top promoter builds hype around a fighter by pushing for those big fights. say what you want about eddie hearn
all he does is
'tevin farmer wants to fight tank davis'
'devin haney wants loma'
'andrade wants canelo or ggg'
and he means it..he isnt just using names like wilder does..he wants those fights for his fighters
worst case scenario, they lose..but get a decent payday, enough to retire on.

pbc don't do that. they're very insular and controlling.

bro...take your wilder/pbc hating glasses off for a minute and be objective

hearn can yell "farmer wants tank"..."Andrade wants whoever"...."haney wants loma"

that alone wont increase those guys profile or make them more mainstream or popular...in fact the only people that hear about farmer, Andrade and haney are the hardcore guys like us on forums and boxing sites everyday

Andrade is still a relative nobody(we are both from RI and ive known him since he was a kid)....nobody really knows farmer....nobody really knows haney hes 20

what you are conveniently forgetting is that Crawford, who is one of arums top 3 fighters(and the only American born of his top 3) has petered out as far as being known/recognized....they basically had to pay khan as much as Crawford just to get Crawford a halfway decent name for a ppv.....Crawford is paid pretty well but overall arum has less mouths to feed...spence/Crawford basically making the same money as of their last fights...difference being is al still has to get money for danny, porter, Thurman, pac etc along with guys like tank, wilder and many others

tank davis just turned 25 last week and hes already making basically the same money as loma....who is p4p #1......tank has been on 7 straight showtime/ppv cards......that's pretty good exposure for a kid isn't it? how many people are watching farmer and haney?

hearn doesn't have an American fighter as known as wilder,spence or tank......and golden boy, off the top of my head, doesn't either

yes...having AJ around helps wilder....but even without AJ wilder would still be one of the top paid US born fighters....which he definitely is right now for sure.....yes having AJ helps....so does having fury around....it helps all of them to have each other honestly

but wilders overall populalarity is NOT A REFLECTION of anything haymon has or hasn't done...its a reflection of the US boxing market and the countries overall waning interest in the sport...its not as big in the US anymore as it is other place and especially the UK

AJs charm and personality doesn't sell him...its his home fans...if you flip flopped wilder and AJ...made wilder a UK fighter who medaled for them in the Olympics hed be making the AJ money....if you made AJ a us fighter that medaled for them hed be in wilders position.....and that's a guarantee

wilder is a decent talker...and he delivers guys on their backs and rear ends...hes always looking to end you...so hes a promoters dream....and he always puts his opponent down at least once at some point......so wilders popularity is a reflection of the interest in boxing in this country at this point.....because its not for lack of exposure or promotion(to think otherwise is a sign of lunacy)