Are promoters freezing out PBC?

[OnePunch]

Fox pays HUGE money for those UFC events and the asking price for those events is about to go up exponentially. Bellator has almost always put their premium events on Spike. All of which have plenty of sponsors despite the possibility of 90 second knockouts. You simply have no idea what you're talking about and the facts very clearly show who the "dip****" is. You. Tin Foil Terry.




Were you under the impression the Kentucky Derby is the only race with advertising?

Face it, your entire position is nonsense. Boxing dominated network TV for decades despite the possibility of 90 second knockouts. Huge money is spent by TV networks for MMA despite the possibility of 90 second knockouts. Networks around the world pay big money for boxing despite the possibility of 90 second knockouts. Plenty of races and athletic events generate TV sponsorship despite the short length of the athletic contest itself. Etc etc.

Stop the madness.

I can see how you might think of the Kentucky Derby, since an "annual" event is about how often most of the PBC guys fight.

But these debates are ******ed. No matter how many networks dump PBC, you will still be right there with your pom poms, hoping against hope that it works out. Rattling your tin cup begging for a job hoping someone notices you. (they wont) And when it dies, you will just change your screen name. Again.

No broadcast network is going to make a 7 or 8 figure content deal for boxing. It isnt going to happen. Not with Haymon, or anyone else. Accept it.

[original zero]

Terry, why are you completely ignoring the fact that your "position" was completely obliterated?

You said boxing can't work on advertising supported TV because there might be an early network, even though big fights are shown on network TV around the world, UFC is paid handsomely for network shows, boxing thrived on network TV for decades, very short athletic events command big dollars on network TV, etc.

Why can't you just act like a reasonable human and admit your position was silly?

[OnePunch]

Terry, why are you completely ignoring the fact that your "position" was completely obliterated?

You said boxing can't work on advertising supported TV because there might be an early network, even though big fights are shown on network TV around the world, UFC is paid handsomely for network shows, boxing thrived on network TV for decades, very short athletic events command big dollars on network TV, etc.

Why can't you just act like a reasonable human and admit your position was silly?

No, I said PREMIUM level boxing cant work on advertiser-supported US broadcast tv. Whats it been, 30+ years since there has been consistent top level boxing on a US broadcast network?

You want to act like that is only because the savior Pope Al didnt offer it to them in the past 30 years. Well it isnt. Advertisers want stability, and consistent numbers, and they have MANY choices to get that without the uncertainty and nonsense that boxing brings. Cancelled events, 90 second events, people like Angel Garcia, etc. You really believe major advertisers are going to get behind that long term? LMAO.

And then you want to ignore the OBVIOUS difference between the US market and overseas markets, and act like because something happens in Lithuania that it will also work perfectly over here. Or are you advocating that PBC become a subscription service like Sky? Not really in keeping with the "but but but it free doe" mantra......

Have you started thinking about what your new screen name will be?

[killakali]

Okay, so by changing the subject, are you now admitting that you lied about FS1 never paying for boxing? And then lied about what you said to cover up your previous lie? Now that we've confirmed that you're a liar, I will be happy to address your false accusation.

Here is Bounce's announcement that Rafael based his story on:

http://www.bouncetv.com/bounce-tv-to...champions-pbc/

NOWHERE does it say that Haymon purchased the time. That's an assumption Rafael made because Haymon refused to speak to him. Rafael's assumption was wrong. There is absolutely no evidence that it's a time buy and Rafael had nothing to support his claim. Maybe you'll slowly learn how inaccurate the boxing "media" often is. I've worked on press row with most of these guys and they are very easily fooled. It's embarrassing.

Here is what Bounce actually said when asked about their programming:

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/8...iginets/page/3

Can you tell me how much you are spending on this, what your production costs are?

I can tell you that we have invested millions of dollars in originals. This season, we will have six original series, includes scripted sitcoms, our first drama, live sports with [Al Haymon's] Premier Boxing Champions. Not so not bad for a four-year-old network.

right so they didn't say they spent a penny a boxing. Just like I said. Thanks for agreeing. I think we will all stick to believing a veteran journalist like Dan Rafael from a big sports powerhouse vs some forum poster. No offense though. I am sure you are very important in your own mind.

[rickJen]

Don't know why they keep comparing MMA with boxing, which will forever be a sport people occasionally see. While they're both contact sports, they differ in many cases. A UFC card, for example, is peppered with undercards, which, to many of its fans, already looked like the main cards. In short, most fights usually have no boring moments. On the other hand, boxing can be extremely boring all throughout the entire fight. (Trying to attract advertisers would be a fruitless effort.)

That's why if promotion is important in MMA events, it should be even more so in boxing. You can have the biggest stars fight each other and the outcome would still be boring. But if it's well-promoted, fans would see it.

[original zero]

No, I said PREMIUM level boxing cant work on advertiser-supported US broadcast tv. Whats it been, 30+ years since there has been consistent top level boxing on a US broadcast network?

Because for 30 years, HBO was willing to spend SOOOO much money buying fights that the networks gave up. But now that HBO is spending 10-20% of what they used to spend, suddenly premium level boxing becomes more feasible on network TV.

Thurman & Garcia were paid a reasonable amount. CBS got over 5 million viewers. Beating the NBA & NHL on ABC & NBC head to head. Would the fight have been affordable for CBS if HBO was still spending $100 million a year on boxing?

No.

But with networks spending more on sports than ever and HBO spending less on sports than ever, boxing on network TV may make sense again.

[al-Xander]

Why is the Easter vs Mikey fight not even on Haymon fanboys' radar screen? Is this another case of PBC fighters avoiding each other?

Brook was heavily criticized for taking mandatories one after another, but it's okay with Easter.

[original zero]

Why is the Easter vs Mikey fight not even on Haymon fanboys' radar screen? Is this another case of PBC fighters avoiding each other?

who is giving you more and better non-PPV fights than al haymon? nobody.

does he try to knock off all of his fighters before they can flourish? no.

does he build them and eventually have them face off? yes.

most people don't know who robert easter is yet. there is plenty of time to build to a unification with him. so many people here obsess over random fights that aren't being made to criticize haymon even though he's giving them more & better non-PPV fights than anybody else in the market.

[OnePunch]

who is giving you more and better non-PPV fights than al haymon? nobody.

does he try to knock off all of his fighters before they can flourish? no.

does he build them and eventually have them face off? yes.

most people don't know who robert easter is yet. there is plenty of time to build to a unification with him. so many people here obsess over random fights that aren't being made to criticize haymon even though he's giving them more & better non-PPV fights than anybody else in the market.

its easy to play Santa Claus when you have a half-billion dollars of someone elses money.

Lets see what he does once that well runs dry and he has to be a "rational player" just like everyone else......

[Teetotaler]

its easy to play Santa Claus when you have a half-billion dollars of someone elses money.

Lets see what he does once that well runs dry and he has to be a "rational player" just like everyone else......

Lmao you won the argument against them several comments ago. Why waste your time?