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[Chollo Vista]

Yeah I find guys that George James quoted like J. M. W. Turner a British painter from the 1800's really reliable when it comes to ancient Greek philosophy.

https://www.amazon.com/History-Philo.../dp/1440071950

"William Turner's "History of Philosophy" is stunning in its depth and breadth. ... The work is magnificent in scope, depth, and in penetrating analysis. And a careful reading will verify once more the transcendental and timeless truth of Scholasticism, philosophia perennis, or philosophy as wisdom.

Turner makes the correct determination in concentrating on the giants of the discipline, Aristotle and Saint Thomas Aquinas. But he leaves not a significant stone unturned, with adequate coverage of Protagoras, Epicuras, Marcus Aurelius, Saint Augustine, Saint Bonaventure, Saint Anselm, Descartes, Locke, Hume, Berkeley, Kant, Hegel, Fichte, and all relevant points in between.

The work is magnificent in scope, depth, and in penetrating analysis. And a careful reading will verify once more the transcendental and timeless truth of Scholasticism, philosophia perennis, or philosophy as wisdom. Read this timeless classic. And be both enriched and well informed. God bless".


Yep, just another white supremacist know as JimRaynor exposed for being just another white supremacist on boxingscene

[Chollo Vista]

Most of these are from Stolen Legacy, and others like the bolded ones could be found under the astrology and pseudo science section of the book store.

This is getting pathetic.

So dispute them... You ask for quotes/references, but you're not disputing a damn thing about the context or factual data.

Because you can't... You don't know enough

Better go get your KKK bretherin for help

[JimRaynor]

Well being that William Turner wrote a book on the history of philosophy, just maybe that has a bit to do with the subject on hand. Just maybe.

You're an embarrassment that's been called out on your bluff...

Scram kid

Lets take a look at Turners book of Philosophy .

William Turner's Hist. of Phil.: p 34; 39; 45; 53.



p34 Talks about Thales and of having Phoenician decent.

p 39.Talks about the Life of Pythagoras, Here is a direct quote "The story of his journey through Egypt, Persia, India, and Gaul
is part of the Neo-Pythagorean legend, though there is good reason for believing that the account of his death at Metapontum is true".

Looks like Turner is saying Pythagoras traveling to Egypt is just a myth, only confirmed journey was to Italy.

p 45 Talks about Xenophanes, thats it

53 None of this chapter has anything to do with Egypt, at all.

http://www.giuliotortello.it/clil/historyofphturner.pdf

I reiterate, your sources are ****, in fact they serve to disprove some of your nonsense like Pythagoras traveling to Egypt. And your knowledge in general is ****. You parrot afrocentrist lies, and try to pass them off as truths. And to anyone who calls you out on your bull**** you call them white supremacist.

I am sure if I go through all the bull**** you parroted, I'd find the same stuff.

[Chollo Vista]

Lets take a look at Turners book of Philosophy .

William Turner's Hist. of Phil.: p 34; 39; 45; 53.

p34 Talks about Thales and of having Phoenician decent.

p 39.Talks about the Life of Pythagoras, Here is a direct quote "The story of his journey through Egypt, Persia, India, and Gaul
is part of the Neo-Pythagorean legend, though there is good reason for believing that the account of his death at Metapontum is true".

Looks like Turner is saying Pythagoras traveling to Egypt is just a myth, only confirmed journey was to Italy.

p 45 Talks about Xenophanes, thats it

53 None of this chapter has anything to do with Egypt, at all.

http://www.giuliotortello.it/clil/historyofphturner.pdf

If you're going to paraphrase at least paraphrase the context/data of that you're quoting; not JimRaynor's summary... But anyway, from the book:

1. The Teachings of the Egyptian Mysteries Reached Other Lands Many Centuries Before it Reached Athens According to history, Pythagoras after receiving his training in Egypt, returned to his native island, Samos, where he established his order for a short time, after which he migrated to Croton
(540 B.C.) in Southern Italy, where his order grew to enormous proportions, until his final expulsion from that country. We are also told that Thales (640 B.C.) who had also received his education in Egypt, and his associates: Anaximander, and Anaximenes, were natives of Ionia in Asia Minor, which was a stronghold of the Egyptian Mystery schools, which they carried on.
(Sandford's The Mediterranean World, p. 195–205). Similarly, we are told that Xenophanes (576B.C.), Parmenides, Zeno and Melissus were also natives of Ionia and that they migrated to Elea in Italy and established themselves and spread the teachings of the Mysteries.

In like manner we are informed that Heraclitus (530 B.C.), Empedocles, Anaxagoras and Democritus were also natives of Ionia who were interested in physics. Hence in tracing the course of the so-called Greek philosophy, we find that Ionian students after obtaining their education from the Egyptian priests returned to their native land, while some of them migrated to
different parts of Italy, where they established themselves.

Consequently, history makes it clear that the surrounding neighbors of Egypt had all become familiar with the teachings of Egyptian Mysteries many centuries before the Athenians, who in 399 B.C. sentenced Socrates to death (Zeller's Hist. of Phil., p. 112; 127; 170–172) and subsequently caused Plato and Aristotle to flee for their lives from Athens, because philosophy
was something foreign and unknown to them. For this same reason, we would expect either the Ionians or the Italians to exert their prior claim to philosophy, since it made contact with them long before it did with the Athenians, who were always its greatest enemies, until Alexander's
conquest of Egypt, which provided for Aristotle free access to the Library of Alexandria.

The Ionians and Italians made no attempt to claim the authorship of philosophy, because they were well aware that the Egyptians were the true authors. On the other hand, after the death of Aristotle, his Athenian pupils, without the authority of the state, undertook to compile a history
of philosophy, recognized at that time as the Sophia or Wisdom of the Egyptians, which had become current and traditional in the ancient world, which compilation, because it was produced by pupils who had belonged to Aristotle's school, later history has erroneously called Greek philosophy, in spite of the fact that the Greeks were its greatest enemies and persecutors, and had persistently treated it as a foreign innovation.

I reiterate, your sources are ****, in fact they serve to disprove some of your nonsense like Pythagoras traveling to Egypt. And your knowledge in general is ****. You parrot afrocentrist lies, and try to pass them off as truths. And to anyone who calls you out on your bull**** you call them white supremacist

Nothing schit about them. First you say William Turner is a schit reference, then you try to validate William Turner as a reference

Lastly, the references I quoted are from the book itself, not in any particular order. So if you're going to dispute the references, you need to find how the reference is being used in context and the data you're comparing too.

This is simple stuff. Let's see what you got.

[Chollo Vista]

Looks like Turner is saying Pythagoras traveling to Egypt is just a myth, only confirmed journey was to Italy.

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/h...ythagoras.html

In about 535 BC Pythagoras went to Egypt. This happened a few years after the tyrant Polycrates seized control of the city of Samos. There is some evidence to suggest that Pythagoras and Polycrates were friendly at first and it is claimed [5] that Pythagoras went to Egypt with a letter of introduction written by Polycrates. In fact Polycrates had an alliance with Egypt and there were therefore strong links between Samos and Egypt at this time. The accounts of Pythagoras's time in Egypt suggest that he visited many of the temples and took part in many discussions with the priests. According to Porphyry ([12] and [13]) Pythagoras was refused admission to all the temples except the one at Diospolis where he was accepted into the priesthood after completing the rites necessary for admission.

"It is not difficult to relate many of Pythagoras's beliefs, ones he would later impose on the society that he set up in Italy, to the customs that he came across in Egypt. For example the secrecy of the Egyptian priests, their refusal to eat beans, their refusal to wear even cloths made from animal skins, and their striving for purity were all customs that Pythagoras would later adopt. Porphyry in [12] and [13] says that Pythagoras learnt geometry from the Egyptians"

"he tried to use his symbolic method of teaching which was similar in all respects to the lessons he had learnt in Egypt. The Samians were not very keen on this method and treated him in a rude and improper manner."


Such a white supremacist you are.... You're boring me now

[JimRaynor]

If you're going to paraphrase at least paraphrase the context/data of that you're quoting; not JimRaynor's summary... But anyway, from the book:

1. The Teachings of the Egyptian Mysteries Reached Other Lands Many Centuries Before it Reached Athens According to history, Pythagoras after receiving his training in Egypt, returned to his native island, Samos, where he established his order for a short time, after which he migrated to Croton
(540 B.C.) in Southern Italy, where his order grew to enormous proportions, until his final expulsion from that country. We are also told that Thales (640 B.C.) who had also received his education in Egypt, and his associates: Anaximander, and Anaximenes, were natives of Ionia in Asia Minor, which was a stronghold of the Egyptian Mystery schools, which they carried on.
(Sandford's The Mediterranean World, p. 195–205). Similarly, we are told that Xenophanes (576B.C.), Parmenides, Zeno and Melissus were also natives of Ionia and that they migrated to Elea in Italy and established themselves and spread the teachings of the Mysteries.

In like manner we are informed that Heraclitus (530 B.C.), Empedocles, Anaxagoras and Democritus were also natives of Ionia who were interested in physics. Hence in tracing the course of the so-called Greek philosophy, we find that Ionian students after obtaining their education from the Egyptian priests returned to their native land, while some of them migrated to
different parts of Italy, where they established themselves.

Consequently, history makes it clear that the surrounding neighbors of Egypt had all become familiar with the teachings of Egyptian Mysteries many centuries before the Athenians, who in 399 B.C. sentenced Socrates to death (Zeller's Hist. of Phil., p. 112; 127; 170–172) and subsequently caused Plato and Aristotle to flee for their lives from Athens, because philosophy
was something foreign and unknown to them. For this same reason, we would expect either the Ionians or the Italians to exert their prior claim to philosophy, since it made contact with them long before it did with the Athenians, who were always its greatest enemies, until Alexander's
conquest of Egypt, which provided for Aristotle free access to the Library of Alexandria.

The Ionians and Italians made no attempt to claim the authorship of philosophy, because they were well aware that the Egyptians were the true authors. On the other hand, after the death of Aristotle, his Athenian pupils, without the authority of the state, undertook to compile a history
of philosophy, recognized at that time as the Sophia or Wisdom of the Egyptians, which had become current and traditional in the ancient world, which compilation, because it was produced by pupils who had belonged to Aristotle's school, later history has erroneously called Greek philosophy, in spite of the fact that the Greeks were its greatest enemies and persecutors, and had persistently treated it as a foreign innovation.

This is grade A non sense, exactly what I'd expect from a book called a Stolen Legacy. You put your faith in this one discredited author and book and then go on to list the sources he used for the book, which he clearly took out of context as was the case with Turner.

Nothing schit about them. First you say William Turner is a schit reference, then you try to validate William Turner as a reference

Lastly, the references I quoted are from the book itself, not in any particular order. So if you're going to dispute the references, you need to find how the reference is being used in context and the data you're comparing too.

This is simple stuff. Let's see what you got.

William Turner was a **** reference as he was a painter first and foremost with a hobby for philosophy. Probably had that book ghost written for him, but even in his book his quotes disprove the idea that Pythagoras traveled to Egypt. His book follows the traditional line of thought.




You still can't name me a single Egyptian source, or writer, and you will never be able to because there aren't any.

[JimRaynor]

So dispute them... You ask for quotes/references, but you're not disputing a damn thing about the context or factual data.

Because you can't... You don't know enough

Better go get your KKK bretherin for help

Disputing those sources would be akin to me disputing your daily zodiac prediction. Your whole theory is non sense, and no sensible scholar will ever take you seriously.

You need better we wuz kangs theories in order to help make your case.

[Chollo Vista]

This is grade A non sense, exactly what I'd expect from a book called a Stolen Legacy. You put your faith in this one discredited author and book and then go on to list the sources he used for the book, which he clearly took out of context as was the case with Turner.







William Turner was a **** reference as he was a painter first and foremost with a hobby for philosophy. Probably had that book ghost written for him, but even in his book his quotes disprove the idea that Pythagoras traveled to Egypt. His book follows the traditional line of thought.

I already provided other sources and can provide more than that if you like. Too easy.

I expose white supremacist in my sleep

You still can't name me a single Egyptian source, or writer, and you will never be able to because there aren't any.

The fact that you're even asking this shows your ignorance on the topic and proves that you're an inadequate adversary that clearly doesn't know enough to have a conversation with

[Chollo Vista]

Disputing those sources would be akin to me disputing your daily zodiac prediction. Your whole theory is non sense, and no sensible scholar wil.

Because you can't dispute jack schit. You don't know enough

I do admire your tenacity to fight for the white supremacy legacy. You love your people, but are afraid of truth

[JimRaynor]

Yep, just another white supremacist know as JimRaynor exposed for being just another white supremacist on boxingscene

Missed this,

Just curious, when you call people white supremacist or KKK or whatever, in your mind do you actually think you're hurling some great insult? Do you think anyone you call that cares?