Prime Ali vs Prime Marciano: Who wins?

[LoadedWraps]

Marciano would have that face smashed apart by Ali's jabs and right hands, it would be a bloody mess.

Marciano would be parrying, blocking, and rolling those shots all night.

[Curtis Harper]

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C'mon, now

[LoadedWraps]

No Joe was not better defensively.

Marciano would fight smaller and lower than Frazier allowing him to better roll under Joes Hook. In an inside fight Frazier would be open for straight rights over his left.

Marciano has a huge advantage having two fists that can KO an opponent vs Frazier. Huge deficit for Joe here.

Few rate Marciano top five. That’s really not even a debate. Top ten absolutely. I rate him No 10.

I don’t rate Marciano highly because he retired undefeated but it is a huge deal historically. No other hwt champion ended their career never losing a fight.

The manner in which he won those fights matters as well. Marciano is champ in any era.

[ShoulderRoll]

The manner in which he won those fights matters as well. Marciano is champ in any era.

He wouldn't have been champ in the prime Joe Louis era nor in the Sonny Liston era. Just two name a couple.

The Ali-Frazier-Foreman era? Forget about it.

I do give him a shot against prime Floyd Patterson, though.

[QueensburyRules]

He wouldn't have been champ in the prime Joe Louis era nor in the Sonny Liston era. Just two name a couple.

- -How many nanoseconds did the Sonny Liston era last?

Take your time, maybe a nice nap on it.

[elfag]

Regarding Frazier’s weight. It’s a meaningless point in reality in terms of heavyweights. However Joe in his prime at best was a 205 pound heavyweight. Post Ali 1 you no longer have Joe in his prime. Prime weight for Frazier was approximately 203-205 pounds.

Marciano was 185lbs and went life and death with former light heavyweights.

Of course a hall of famer, top 20 all time heavyweight being 20 lbs larger than him matters when he struggled with lightheavyweights.

[ShoulderRoll]

- -How many nanoseconds did the Sonny Liston era last?

Take your time, maybe a nice nap on it.

Marciano wouldn't have been champ for the amount of nanoseconds Sonny Liston was around. How about that?

[QueensburyRules]

Marciano wouldn't have been champ for the amount of nanoseconds Sonny Liston was around. How about that?

- -Rock wouldn't beat every top champ, but he'd beat Liston who's 2-2 in title fights.

Mentally a bad matchup for Sonny as well as physically

[ShoulderRoll]

- -Rock wouldn't beat every top champ, but he'd beat Liston who's 2-2 in title fights.

Mentally a bad matchup for Sonny as well as physically

2-2 in title fights, with the two losses coming to prime Cassius Clay.

That's not a negative in my book.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Young Clay far from prime as his fights with Cooper and Jones showed that he arguably lost.

By the time of the First Clay fight, Sonny was training on whiskey in anticipation of a first rd KO, so Sonny was no longer prime.

Sleeping in silk sheets with every mug and bar wanting to ply you with drinks and girls is the typical fate of most champs.

But not Rock. You could study up, but nah, easier to rattle around that BB in yer noggin.