Joseph Louis Barrow

[Da Iceman]

just shut the **** up and accept your wrong

[Da Iceman]

oh yea if you watch sportscentury on joe louis they say he did have alot of affairs

[butterfly1964]

just shut the **** up and accept your wrong

look, if a boxer turns pro at age like 18 or 19, will sports analysts say, "right now he is in his prime!" no, so 18 is not someone's prime.

[butterfly1964]

oh yea if you watch sportscentury on joe louis they say he did have alot of affairs

whatever.

[Da Iceman]

you know your wrong

[QueensburyRules]

Joe Louis has a far better record than Ali and less controversial gift decisions. How can you say Louis' footwork is inadequate with a better record?

- -People tend to rate their eras better than older eras.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Joe Louis has a far better record than Ali and less controversial gift decisions. How can you say Louis' footwork is inadequate with a better record?

- -People tend to rate their eras better than older eras.[/QUOTE]

Not here they don't. At BoxingScene George Dixon batters Tyson Fury.

Louis definitely beats any version of pre-exile Ali right up until the eve of his exile - at that point Ali had shed a lot of bad habits, and finally had the size to hold up to Louis' power. And he definitely batters Post-Congo Ali.

But the guy of the early 70's is gonna be too much for Louis. Even if Louis packs on extra weight to accommodate for Ali's size advantage, he can't handle that guy. It's was Frazier's pressure and activity that defeated Ali, not his power and pristine punching technique.

[ron davis]

Louis and Ali were both great, either one who had the most Broads gets the Crown. I think Kelly has them both beat, hands down.

[billeau2]

Louis and Ali were both great, either one who had the most Broads gets the Crown. I think Kelly has them both beat, hands down.

Louis and Ali represents polar opposites of "greatness" in the premier division in the sport. It is the classic contrast of the Dioniasian Wine swilling, free spirit improvising at every turn, versus the perfectly ordered Apollonian organized systematic enfolding of perfection in the craft.

I never forget one of my favorite teachers in an art...was trying to get a student to "just do the technique" five times...No this, no that... Ali if he ever cared to I would imagine could do a technique five times! Alas, Ali had a better way and the supreme athletic talent to execute. Oh...it caught up with him occasionally, like when Frazier found a way to catch him backing straight up against the hook... But we see Ali do things in the ring that are almost impossible technically speaking.

Louis was technical perfection. Dempsey took boxing to a level where footwork, and distancing was reworked for the puncher, but Louis through BlackBurn systematically developed the punches, the approach, that defined the craft of the big punchers yet to come. We see shades of this through Liston, Foreman and so many more of the great finishers, punchers that now had a methodical approach that distinguished them from the boxers.

If you want to really know how great Louis and Ali were, stop comparing who was better, because they complimented each other... prometheus never rolls the rock to the top of the mountain... and in the battle between Apollo and his wine swilling, creative, bethron, no one ever wins, or loses!

Before Dempsey there were great fighters... there were no great punchers, versus great tacticians that we could map out a different approach with... Bt Louis through BlackBurn gave us a method...Liston with his half step pole ax jab, moves very different than Moore, with his shoulder roll counter...The puncher does things differently.

And just when the puncher was supreme, with 15 rounds to set upon his mouse in a cage...comes Ali. Lol. Both Ali and Lee, icons of that age, were able to give the other guy the first act of aggression and outwit the destroyer.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Louis and Ali represents polar opposites of "greatness" in the premier division in the sport. It is the classic contrast of the Dioniasian Wine swilling, free spirit improvising at every turn, versus the perfectly ordered Apollonian organized systematic enfolding of perfection in the craft.

I never forget one of my favorite teachers in an art...was trying to get a student to "just do the technique" five times...No this, no that... Ali if he ever cared to I would imagine could do a technique five times! Alas, Ali had a better way and the supreme athletic talent to execute. Oh...it caught up with him occasionally, like when Frazier found a way to catch him backing straight up against the hook... But we see Ali do things in the ring that are almost impossible technically speaking.

Louis was technical perfection. Dempsey took boxing to a level where footwork, and distancing was reworked for the puncher, but Louis through BlackBurn systematically developed the punches, the approach, that defined the craft of the big punchers yet to come. We see shades of this through Liston, Foreman and so many more of the great finishers, punchers that now had a methodical approach that distinguished them from the boxers.

If you want to really know how great Louis and Ali were, stop comparing who was better, because they complimented each other... prometheus never rolls the rock to the top of the mountain... and in the battle between Apollo and his wine swilling, creative, bethron, no one ever wins, or loses!

Before Dempsey there were great fighters... there were no great punchers, versus great tacticians that we could map out a different approach with... Bt Louis through BlackBurn gave us a method...Liston with his half step pole ax jab, moves very different than Moore, with his shoulder roll counter...The puncher does things differently.

And just when the puncher was supreme, with 15 rounds to set upon his mouse in a cage...comes Ali. Lol. Both Ali and Lee, icons of that age, were able to give the other guy the first act of aggression and outwit the destroyer.

Have you ever considered peddling Snake Oil? Or create your own religion?

Your ability to defy the facts to spin a yarn is absolutely remarkable.