You need to STOP with the "eye test" BS. You're doing fighters a disservice.

[Longhaul]

It's cool to duck facts bro

The fact is your an idiot and no need to respond .

[Combat Talk Radio]

The fact is your an idiot and no need to respond .

Not sure if you're just computer illiterate or what, but you're up in MY thread, dude.

[Combat Talk Radio]

It's a triad in the sense of your ranking of fighters

Hall of fame morales(D) losses to zahir(C) funeka(B) beats zahir(C).

Horn(A) beats (B) so that to you means (A) gets the credibility of the (D) loss
so it's a rated win according to you and you rate horn for it even though funeka isnt rated

You're giving Horn the credit of Raheem beating a prime Morales


Time to log off man

Maybe you don't get it. That's exactly how BoxRec scores it. You get points based on the past opposition of who you beat.

The ONLY reason Crawford is as high as he is at welter is because of the Jeff Horn win, for the same reason.

The bottom line is the same: DID YOU BEAT A HALL OF FAME FIGHTER?

Jeff Horn has. Terence Crawford has not.

Look, you're free to like Crawford all you want. I never said he's a bad fighter. I give him major credit. I simply won't credit him, Spence, Loma, Mikey, Charlo, Teofimo, Choco, Estrada or any of these other hopefuls as #1 when you got Canelo Alvarez walking around with a HALL OF FAME RESUME. That's facts, cannot be refuted, and that's all I'm saying bro.

[Ray*]

Just because a boxer passes the “Eye test” doesn’t mean they can’t lose to lower and better opposition.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Just because a boxer passes the “Eye test” doesn’t mean they can’t lose to lower and better opposition.

Name one fighter who been an "eye test" fighter with a C or B level resume and no losses.

I'll do it for you - Billy Juice Saunders.

Now, answer this. What makes him worthy of P4P anything?

Here's another one. Jermall Charlo.

What makes him worthy of P4P anything?

Here's another one. Teofimo Lopez.

What makes him worthy of P4P anything?

Here's another one. Juan Francisco Estrada. Before he lost.

What makes him worthy of P4P anything?


I'll tell you this. I'd sooner rate Estrada than Loma or Crawford.

Why?

RESUME. Because of everyone I named, Estrada has the strongest RESUME. The eye test is meaningless.

[Ray*]

Name one fighter who been an "eye test" fighter with a C or B level resume and no losses.

I'll do it for you - Billy Juice Saunders.

Now, answer this. What makes him worthy of P4P anything?

Here's another one. Jermall Charlo.

What makes him worthy of P4P anything?

Here's another one. Teofimo Lopez.

What makes him worthy of P4P anything?

Here's another one. Juan Francisco Estrada. Before he lost.

What makes him worthy of P4P anything?


I'll tell you this. I'd sooner rate Estrada than Loma or Crawford.

Why?

RESUME. Because of everyone I named, Estrada has the strongest RESUME. The eye test is meaningless.

Firstly you don’t go by this “Undefeated” status. Secondly a boxers career is decided or looked at after they are done retired. Once everyone of them is done then you can say they achieved this or that.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Firstly you don’t go by this “Undefeated” status. Secondly a boxers career is decided or looked at after they are done retired. Once everyone of them is done then you can say they achieved this or that.

And if we're taking that tact against what Rosenthal said, if Canelo, Loma and Crawford all retired today, are we seriously saying that Lomachenko and Crawford should be considered up there with Sugar Ray Leonard?

No. It's laughable. That's the problem. Those guys aren't even Mayorga's level.

If those three guys retired TODAY, Canelo is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Period. First ballot Hall of Famers are P4P by their very nature. It means they got in there and tangled with some of the best in the business. That's not an "eye test" measure. It's factual data of what a fighter actually did vs. what it "looks" like they "could" do. That's what got Golovkin in trouble.

[rickJen]

The eye test BS is exactly why Wilder is where he is today.
His only one and meaningful win is Luis Ortiz after freaking 40 fights.
A 40 yr old nobody.
And the bronze bum killer is suddenly acting like he beat prime Tyson.
It's disgusting.

[HarvardBlue]

If Jeff Horn is a "pass" on an "eye test" for you get a second opinion immediately.

[lizard_man]

Maybe you don't get it. That's exactly how BoxRec scores it. You get points based on the past opposition of who you beat.

The ONLY reason Crawford is as high as he is at welter is because of the Jeff Horn win, for the same reason.

The bottom line is the same: DID YOU BEAT A HALL OF FAME FIGHTER?

Jeff Horn has. Terence Crawford has not.

Look, you're free to like Crawford all you want. I never said he's a bad fighter. I give him major credit. I simply won't credit him, Spence, Loma, Mikey, Charlo, Teofimo, Choco, Estrada or any of these other hopefuls as #1 when you got Canelo Alvarez walking around with a HALL OF FAME RESUME. That's facts, cannot be refuted, and that's all I'm saying bro.

I do get it. We know it's bullshlt though. Raheem beat a prime Morales in 2005. When did horn make his debut? 2014? Come on man.