Uneducated Newcomers and Boxing Fanboys. Read this post first.

[pugilistfan]

Your talking about a guy whose life was about wrestling before MMA. At the same time Pac would try to land a heavy punch, he would be on his back before he knew what hit him. The same with Uriah Faber. There is no one who can escape a natural shoot because it a total reflex with born wrestlers. You can be the fastest on your feet, if you don't have a sprawl, you're ****ed.

Well, Pac is like 30lbs lighter than those guys.

But it wouldnt matter because any boxer would get taken down by Sherk or Faber in MMA. Sherk has among the best takedowns in the sport and Faber is no slouch.

And life was wrestling is a little bit misleading. Sherk never really accomplished much in wrestling. His background was a high school wrestler, than he transitioned to MMA but he quit for 2-3 years to work construction because MMA failed to take off.

The fighters with the best wrestling credentials are the fighters who dont even have the best takedown defense in the sport. Liddell was only a collegiate wrestler and wasnt really that accomplished as a wrestler. He has fantastic takedown defense.

And GSP who is the best MMA wrestler in the sport started wrestling when he was 22. Sure hes trained with the Canadian National Wrestling team but his takedown defense isnt because of his wrestling ability. Its only a small part of it.

Even Joe Rogan said it himself when GSP fought Koscheck. GSP's takedown defense is so good because of his athleticism, reflexes, footwork. Athleticism plays a pretty large role in takedown defense. Look at Anthony Johnson in his fight against Speer. That guy wrestled for 2 years in high school and is primarily known as a striker who has quick hands. Johnson was stuffing every single takedown attempt from a pretty damn good wrestler in Speer. And Johnson wasnt doing so because of his mediocre wrestling background. He did so using his incredible athleticism.

[Drunken Cat]

And Fedor has said numerous times hes a SAMBO fighter. He has never trained BJJ because he never felt the need to because he believes Sambo is better.

Irregardless of all the other **** you type, I have to note; BJJ is not the be all end all of grappling. It is simply a style. In reality, Sambo is a very solid grappling art. Also, despite your previous denial of this (based, I'm sure, on hearsay and conjectural analysis), Fedor is indeed an expert in judo (he meddled at the Russian championships!), hence he has been schooled in various judo submissions (particularly armbars and chokes, one would assume) from an early age as well. Furthermore, your statements that Fedor has never trained in BJJ is absolutely ludicrous. Whether or not he is (or cares to be) ranked under BJJ, what makes you believe he is unfamiliar with the techniques? Particularly, as the style is so influential in MMA? You simply do not know what the f.uck you are talking about is all that can be said.

Your posts are literally seething with ignorance. You should really figure out what the f.uck you are saying before you continue to embarrass yourself posting such nonsense.

A tip, do some f.ucking research:
http://www.wikipedia.org

[mrpain81]

Your posts are literally seething with ignorance. You should really figure out what the f.uck you are saying before you continue to embarrass yourself posting such nonsense.

A tip, do some f.ucking research:
http://www.wikipedia.org

pugilistfan is saying the truth

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

And life was wrestling is a little bit misleading. Sherk never really accomplished much in wrestling. His background was a high school wrestler, than he transitioned to MMA but he quit for 2-3 years to work construction because MMA failed to take off.

The fighters with the best wrestling credentials are the fighters who dont even have the best takedown defense in the sport. Liddell was only a collegiate wrestler and wasnt really that accomplished as a wrestler. He has fantastic takedown defense.

And GSP who is the best MMA wrestler in the sport started wrestling when he was 22. Sure hes trained with the Canadian National Wrestling team but his takedown defense isnt because of his wrestling ability. Its only a small part of it.

Even Joe Rogan said it himself when GSP fought Koscheck. GSP's takedown defense is so good because of his athleticism, reflexes, footwork. Athleticism plays a pretty large role in takedown defense.

Just because they didn't make it or were mediochre in college doesn't mean they stopped training. Sherk still trained in MMA and still trained for the hell of it when he started his flooring company. The same with Liddell. You just don't unlearn that stuff. We've got wrestling clubs in MI filled with guys who used to wrestle on a high school college level.

Also, GSP wrestled long before he was in MMA. He just didn't show up on the OCWT's doorstep and said "Train Me".

[Naz-Fan]

Pugilistfan you're a ****ing ******

Lee Murray was no way inferior to Tito Ortiz. Lee Murray was the man of the future. Devastating KO power and great ground skills. Miletich stated he was a Future world champion. The only guy that ever outworked a prime Lee Murray was ANDERSON SILVA (which in retrospect, Murray did ****ing good against him).

I would go as far to say Fedor would destroy ANY heavyweight boxer in a fight.

[YUHHHHHHH!]

And Fedor has said numerous times hes a SAMBO fighter. He has never trained BJJ because he never felt the need to because he believes Sambo is better.

What are you getting at? Everyone knows this.

All of your posts are failure.