best rapper in the late 90s and early 2000s

[pbftxrs316]

What the ****? Dont come with that bull**** to me. I'm only 17 but I grew up on hip hop music and thats worldwide hip hop music not Young Jeezy and T.I or whoever the **** you listen to. I dont give a **** if Immortal had wrote Stan you would be on your knees saying how it was the best song ever. In my opinion that **** was smart.

Try name me 25 commercial mc's better than Eminem. The simple fact is you cant because for a commercial mc he had skills. Eminem brought hip hop to a new audience, that is revoloutianary.

Dont try and undermine my hip hop knowledge you ignorant prick when you dont even know me.

don't even stress over the guy. this argument is very respectable, actually this one argument is better than about 5 or 6 of alpha ape's posts alone.

[Bucktown Beast]

What the ****? Dont come with that bull**** to me. I'm only 17 but I grew up on hip hop music and thats worldwide hip hop music not Young Jeezy and T.I or whoever the **** you listen to. I dont give a **** if Immortal had wrote Stan you would be on your knees saying how it was the best song ever. In my opinion that **** was smart.

Try name me 25 commercial mc's better than Eminem. The simple fact is you cant because for a commercial mc he had skills. Eminem brought hip hop to a new audience, that is revoloutianary.

Dont try and undermine my hip hop knowledge you ignorant prick when you dont even know me.

You don't know **** lad. See, I was right. All Eminem ball riders are your age. It makes sense now. In the year 2000 you were 10 ****in years old. You didn't even start listening to rap until the era when hiphop was already a dying art. Don't argue with a chief you pamper pusher.

25 MCs better than Eminem? Psssh...****in easy. Off the top of the dome, I can do this in my sleep even:

Rakim
Method Man
Tupac
Big Pun
Big Daddy Kane
AZ
Ghostface Killah
KRS-1
Chuck D
Jay-Z
Biggie
Busta Rhymes
Kool G Rap
Nas
Common
Big L
CL Smooth
Cormega
Sean Price
GZA
Guru
Mos Def
Canibus
Slick Rick
Black Thought

See that wasn't very hard now was it. All of them superior to Eminem. How many of those guys do you even own an album of? Three? Four? Get it together kiddo, you are not in my league.

[pbftxrs316]

You don't know **** lad. See, I was right. All Eminem ball riders are your age. It makes sense now. In the year 2000 you were 10 ****in years old. You didn't even start listening to rap until the era when hiphop was already a dying art. Don't argue with a chief you pamper pusher.

25 MCs better than Eminem? Psssh...****in easy. Off the top of the dome, I can do this in my sleep even:

Rakim
Method Man
Tupac
Big Pun
Big Daddy Kane
AZ
Ghostface Killah
KRS-1
Chuck D
Jay-Z
Biggie
Busta Rhymes
Kool G Rap
Nas
Common
Big L
CL Smooth
Cormega
Sean Price
GZA
Guru
Mos Def
Canibus
Slick Rick
Black Thought

See that wasn't very hard now was it. All of them superior to Eminem. How many of those guys do you even own an album of? Three? Four? Get it together kiddo, you are not in my league.

and i'm glad you gave us 25 of your favorite rappers.

[Jim_Davis]

25 MCs better than Eminem? Psssh...****in easy. Off the top of the dome, I can do this in my sleep even:
Rakim - Yeah he was better
Method Man- Nope
Tupac- In my opinion pac is better
Big Pun- I prefer Em but thats cos I dont like Pun's voice. Never have done.
Big Daddy Kane - Nope
AZ- Please...good rapper but not better than Em.
Ghostface Killah- Nope
KRS-1- Nope, you're not picking him on skills
Chuck D - No way
Jay-Z- I dont think so but it can be argued
Biggie- Yeah he was better
Busta Rhymes- Nooooo
Kool G Rap - Can be argued
Nas - Yeah
Common- Nope
Big L - Yeah
CL Smooth- No way
Cormega- Can be argued
Sean Price- Haven't heard too much of him
GZA- I dont think so
Guru - My fave rapper
Mos Def- I say no though a lot will say yes
Canibus - Yeah I would say Canibus is better
Slick Rick - ....the **** are you smoking?
Black Thought- No. And I wouldnt call him commercial.

Why are you putting guys like Chuck D, BDK and Slick Rick against Eminem? It's like sticking a good 1930's boxer against a good 1990's boxer. Eminem is clearly a better rapper than them. In their era they were sick but Eminem has much more skill.

Also you have too many good lyricist on that list that are only good lyricists. As a rapper you need the whole package. In my opinion the majority of that list are not close to Eminem's level. The point I'm making is dont shoot down people that like Eminem just because you dont. That shows ignorance and IMO real hip hop fans aint ignorant like that. I approach music with an open mind but when I see people like you attacking people just cos they like a rapper you dont it makes me wanna **** it an envelope and post it to you.

[Bucktown Beast]

Why are you putting guys like Chuck D, BDK and Slick Rick against Eminem? It's like sticking a good 1930's boxer against a good 1990's boxer. Eminem is clearly a better rapper than them. In their era they were sick but Eminem has much more skill.

Also you have too many good lyricist on that list that are only good lyricists. As a rapper you need the whole package. In my opinion the majority of that list are not close to Eminem's level. The point I'm making is dont shoot down people that like Eminem just because you dont. That shows ignorance and IMO real hip hop fans aint ignorant like that. I approach music with an open mind but when I see people like you attacking people just cos they like a rapper you dont it makes me wanna **** it an envelope and post it to you.

Eminem is better than Slick Rick? Have you listened to him? Owned one of his albums? lolz...o man I heard it all. And uh if you say this is like comparing 90s boxers to 30s boxers (even though the gap is nowhere near that wide) then we are talking on a pound for pound MC basis. Plain and simple and guess what, Sugar Ray Robinson is the P4P greatest fighter of all time and he hasn't fought in 50 years. So greatness stands the test of time, you have nothing there. You just won't get it...in essence yall really don't know what you missed out on and arguing with you two makes me realize how deprived todays "hiphop" fans are.

Yall aint getting the point. If you think Eminem is a good MC then thats great. But do NOT overrate this mother****er and give him such a prominent place in history when there are many more influential, talented and legendary MCs than him. Many of which I just named.

[Jim_Davis]

Of course I have heard Slick Rick's **** hes the best rapper to have came out of the UK

Eminem's Infinite, SSLP and MMLP for me make him 1 of my favourite rappers. After that he fell off no doubt but them albums for me are faves.

And Sugar Ray Robinson is p4p #1 based on weight class + era. He wouldnt beat a lot of boxers around today.

[Phunky Villian]

Of course I have heard Slick Rick's **** hes the best rapper to have came out of the UK

Eminem's Infinite, SSLP and MMLP for me make him 1 of my favourite rappers. After that he fell off no doubt but them albums for me are faves.

And Sugar Ray Robinson is p4p #1 based on weight class + era. He wouldnt beat a lot of boxers around today.

yeah man, eminems early **** was slammin....... esp infinite and off da wall!

[res]

25 MCs better than Eminem? Psssh...****in easy. Off the top of the dome, I can do this in my sleep even:
Rakim - Yeah he was better
Method Man- Nope
Tupac- In my opinion pac is better
Big Pun- I prefer Em but thats cos I dont like Pun's voice. Never have done.
Big Daddy Kane - Nope
AZ- Please...good rapper but not better than Em.
Ghostface Killah- Nope
KRS-1- Nope, you're not picking him on skills
Chuck D - No way
Jay-Z- I dont think so but it can be argued
Biggie- Yeah he was better
Busta Rhymes- Nooooo
Kool G Rap - Can be argued
Nas - Yeah
Common- Nope
Big L - Yeah
CL Smooth- No way
Cormega- Can be argued
Sean Price- Haven't heard too much of him
GZA- I dont think so
Guru - My fave rapper
Mos Def- I say no though a lot will say yes
Canibus - Yeah I would say Canibus is better
Slick Rick - ....the **** are you smoking?
Black Thought- No. And I wouldnt call him commercial.

Why are you putting guys like Chuck D, BDK and Slick Rick against Eminem? It's like sticking a good 1930's boxer against a good 1990's boxer. Eminem is clearly a better rapper than them. In their era they were sick but Eminem has much more skill.

Also you have too many good lyricist on that list that are only good lyricists. As a rapper you need the whole package. In my opinion the majority of that list are not close to Eminem's level. The point I'm making is dont shoot down people that like Eminem just because you dont. That shows ignorance and IMO real hip hop fans aint ignorant like that. I approach music with an open mind but when I see people like you attacking people just cos they like a rapper you dont it makes me wanna **** it an envelope and post it to you.

WOW! good lyricists that are only good lyricists? that is the definition of Eminem. There is more than lyrics to being a rapper, you are right, which is exactly why KRS-ONE and certain others are definately superior to Eminem. Even Rakim in the interview that he did with the french Journalist said that Eminem wasn't really a rapper but a lyricist (and that is the level on which he respects him). Oh and by the way, I consider anyone that the grammy academy knows exists to be mainstream so I think Black Thought is. You certainly can't call a grammy artist "underground". Anyway you have a far more sane position on all of this than our friend here, I don't care for Eminem but I understand where your coming from.

[res]

You don't know **** lad. See, I was right. All Eminem ball riders are your age. It makes sense now. In the year 2000 you were 10 ****in years old. You didn't even start listening to rap until the era when hiphop was already a dying art. Don't argue with a chief you pamper pusher.

Was he really 10 in 2000?! If he were that would account for alot. It makes perfect sense that he would think that Eminem introduced non-gangster content into rap music. Well Pbftx just so you know, 80's rap was pretty much devoid of "gangsta" content with the exception of Kool G rap, who really didn't catch on untill he started to emphasize battle rap. All Rap music my friend was about the "other things" in life at that time. In the early 90's Hammer was still big lol and nonviolent jazz inspired groups like a Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul and Digable Planets were the standard. Gangsta rap didn't really take off untill "The Chronic". To put it simply, rap music was non-gangsta rap while the street controlled the market for atleast three times longer than it was gangsta rap (and by this I am talking about what was most dominant). So rappers talked about "other things" for a very long time, Eminem was not some revolutionary that introduced this. I can't blame you for assuming that though, I would too if I was your age.

[Jim_Davis]

WOW! good lyricists that are only good lyricists? that is the definition of Eminem. There is more than lyrics to being a rapper, you are right, which is exactly why KRS-ONE and certain others are definately superior to Eminem. Even Rakim in the interview that he did with the french Journalist said that Eminem wasn't really a rapper but a lyricist (and that is the level on which he respects him). Oh and by the way, I consider anyone that the grammy academy knows exists to be mainstream so I think Black Thought is. You certainly can't call a grammy artist "underground". Anyway you have a far more sane position on all of this than our friend here, I don't care for Eminem but I understand where your coming from.

Yeah fair do's. I would never try to argue that Eminem is the best rapper of all time, cos for ones hes not and anyone that tries to say he is are most likely fan boys but you cant shoot down someone's favourite rapper. There's a lot of rock fans that like Eminem and DMX, not cos theyre the best rappers but its their fave sound. And I know Black Thought isnt underground but his **** doesnt get released in the UK and rarely played on UK hip hop radios so its difficult for me to call him commercial.

And in 2000 I was 10 years old. But from young as I can remember I was forced if you like to listen to hip hop. I used to listen to Run DMC all the time when I was a kid and I bought reasonable doubt (cos the front cover looked cool lol) before I bought the slim shady lp.

But to be honest I've stopped listening to rap now. I have done for a few years. I wouldnt say hip hop is dead but the commercial side of it is. Now I'm into a different music style.