Obamacare Was A Right Wing Plan, Passed By Democrats

[JimRaynor]

Affordable Care Act was created by the right wing think tank the Heritage Foundation, and pushed especially hard by Mitt Romney, yet it got passed by Obama and the Democrats. If you take a step back you'll find many positions that both sides have flip flopped on.


Insurance companies have more than doubled their profits since Obamacare has been passed. Watch republicans be the ones to pass Medicare for all.

[Scipio2009]

Affordable Care Act was created by the right wing think tank the Heritage Foundation, and pushed especially hard by Mitt Romney, yet it got passed by Obama and the Democrats. If you take a step back you'll find many positions that both sides have flip flopped on.


Insurance companies have more than doubled their profits since Obamacare has been passed. Watch republicans be the ones to pass Medicare for all.

What's your point? Beyond that, in what world is Mitt Romney or the Heritage Foundation a "right-wing" anything?


If you were starting from scratch, single payer would've been the move; government pays for everyone's healthcare coverage, government plays hardball to negotiate the rates for everything, and the companies that can operate under that live, while the ones that can't, die.

With that dead as an option, you look at other idea; Massachusetts was basically able to cover everyone in their state, at a cost that wasn't unreasonable, without generating any of the heat that single payer would've.

Take a Republican idea from Massachusetts, design it for all 50 states compel the changes that would basically come with best practices being mandated (digitizing patient records to eliminate most paper error, etc), and raise as much money as is politically viable to ease whatever burden on the working class. Boom, you have Obamacare.

Simply stating that insurance company profits have doubled, without a source to even attempt to corroborate such a statement is laughable.

The agenda of the Republican Party, for at least the last 20 years but likely longer, has been to try and balance the budget deficit on cuts from Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid, yet Republicans will pass a Medicare for all plan and almost literally kill an industry? Lol.

[Don Pichardo]

Affordable Care Act was created by the right wing think tank the Heritage Foundation, and pushed especially hard by Mitt Romney, yet it got passed by Obama and the Democrats. If you take a step back you'll find many positions that both sides have flip flopped on.


Insurance companies have more than doubled their profits since Obamacare has been passed. Watch republicans be the ones to pass Medicare for all.

And if Republicans passed both those measure you would be all for it But since the bruh man did so it’s a pos plan.

Is that a fair statement? It may be not for you but im certain a substantial amount of those on the right feel that way. Whether they admit it or not.

[JimRaynor]

What's your point? Beyond that, in what world is Mitt Romney or the Heritage Foundation a "right-wing" anything?

What are you serious?

If you were starting from scratch, single payer would've been the move; government pays for everyone's healthcare coverage, government plays hardball to negotiate the rates for everything, and the companies that can operate under that live, while the ones that can't, die.

With that dead as an option, you look at other idea; Massachusetts was basically able to cover everyone in their state, at a cost that wasn't unreasonable, without generating any of the heat that single payer would've.

Take a Republican idea from Massachusetts, design it for all 50 states compel the changes that would basically come with best practices being mandated (digitizing patient records to eliminate most paper error, etc), and raise as much money as is politically viable to ease whatever burden on the working class. Boom, you have Obamacare.

I have no idea what this has to do with with op.

Simply stating that insurance company profits have doubled, without a source to even attempt to corroborate such a statement is laughable.

Is your search function broken? I didn't feel the need to post a source because this is common knowledge. Health insurance profits have soared by over 180% since Obamacare.

https://www.axios.com/aca-health-car...a8bc13040.html

The agenda of the Republican Party, for at least the last 20 years but likely longer, has been to try and balance the budget deficit on cuts from Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid, yet Republicans will pass a Medicare for all plan and almost literally kill an industry? Lol.

Why would it kill an industry? They can easily do what France does, and that is keep the private industry and use the government as being the single payer to these industries through increased taxes on the populace. Nothing has to change aside from who pays the healthcare companies directly.

[JimRaynor]

And if Republicans passed both those measure you would be all for it But since the bruh man did so it’s a pos plan.

Is that a fair statement? It may be not for you but im certain a substantial amount of those on the right feel that way. Whether they admit it or not.

No you're wrong, I dont like Obamacare, and I don't like anything that the Republicans are thinking of replacing it with unless its a form of universal healthcare.

[Scipio2009]

What are you serious?



I have no idea what this has to do with with op.



Is your search function broken? I didn't feel the need to post a source because this is common knowledge. Health insurance profits have soared by over 180% since Obamacare.

https://www.axios.com/aca-health-car...a8bc13040.html






Why would it kill an industry? They can easily do what France does, and that is keep the private industry and use the government as being the single payer to these industries through increased taxes on the populace. Nothing has to change aside from who pays the healthcare companies directly.

And that's why I insist on getting sources, lol.

The article you put forward about how great Obamacare has been for insurance companies only talks about stock prices from when the law was passed, makes no mention of profitability of the companies going up or down, and starts the clock from the passage of Obamacare rather than from when the debate on the Democrats plan for healthcare reform began (no idea if the stock number would be any different, but having a context for how much stock value was lost in the sector for fear of what could happen would help the actual point, if there was one).

[JimRaynor]

And that's why I insist on getting sources, lol.

The article you put forward about how great Obamacare has been for insurance companies only talks about stock prices from when the law was passed, makes no mention of profitability of the companies going up or down, and starts the clock from the passage of Obamacare rather than from when the debate on the Democrats plan for healthcare reform began (no idea if the stock number would be any different, but having a context for how much stock value was lost in the sector for fear of what could happen would help the actual point, if there was one).

Stock prices going up is the definition of profitability. Amazon and Apple being the two most profitable companies in the world is largely due to the fact of their stock price and market cap (which is the accumulation of all their stocks) hit 1 trillion.

Jeff Bezos Net worth of 100+ billion is 95% calculated on how much Amazon stock he owns. Hell Amazon and other big corporations themselves pay employees in stocks.

If you bought a stock in a company for $10 and that stock after a year hit $20, you could sell it and turn a 100% profit.

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A Republican plan yes...

The Republican party was essentially a liberal globalist party that mentioned Jesus & flags a lot to manipulate the elderly from the 1970s until the Trump reset. AKA the insufferable "neo-cons".

A right-wing plan, though? Dunno about that.

The right-wing simply had no representation at all in mainstream/federal US politics for several decades as the country as a whole moved radically to the left, so everything the Republicans did tended to be a watered-down version of whatever the Democrats had planned.

This climaxed with the McCain presidential candidacy. Where by election day the two candidates literally disagreed on absolutely nothing and the "post-debate analysis" were literally conversations about who wore a sassier necktie.

I remember them arguing who "picked the date" for the Iraq pullout deadline because they had both started out with different ones then gradually budged until it was the same exact plan. What a blatant CIA puppet show.

[Scipio2009]

Stock prices going up is the definition of profitability. Amazon and Apple being the two most profitable companies in the world is largely due to the fact of their stock price and market cap (which is the accumulation of all their stocks) hit 1 trillion.

Jeff Bezos Net worth of 100+ billion is 95% calculated on how much Amazon stock he owns. Hell Amazon and other big corporations themselves pay employees in stocks.

If you bought a stock in a company for $10 and that stock after a year hit $20, you could sell it and turn a 100% profit.

Except it's not; for someone who's supposed to have some kind of grasp for finance, that fact that you would say something so stupid is remarkable.

Profit, in case you don't know, is the difference between what you can sell something for versus the cost of getting said thing.

One of the most profitable companies on the planet is Aramco (Saudi Arabia Oil Company), largely because they can get out out and to market for $12 a barrel or less, and can then sell that barrel for whatever price the market (namely OPEC) will bear.

This isn't some foreign concept that needs extra learning

[The Big Dunn]

Ronald Reagan tried to get a universal healthcare passed and couldn't. Mitt Romney's plan in Massachusetts was very positive according to everything I've read about it, regardless of party affiliation.

I have often posted that Obama's Presidency was more of a Reagan type Presidency-given the point when both came into office.

A lot of the social policies, from universal health care to gay marriage, are rooted in conservative ideology.

Before the US became so polarized, you had Blue Dog Democrats and Northeastern Republicans that worked more closely with those who shared their mindset than some in their own party.