Students Support Socialism... Until It's Applied To Their GPA

[DreamerUSA]

Grades, having no corporal existence, are effectively infinite.

Everyone could get 100%.

This is not the same with socialism, which deals with tangible, real things. Resources which are absolutely finite.

Everyone cannot get 100%.

The two are conceptually irrelevant to each other. One is a metric, one is an acquisition.

If this makes it 'something that kids can actually wrap their heads around' then we have a problem - because they are wrapping their heads around a falsehood.

Might as well tell them that socialism is like letting everyone fuck their mums.

It's a base scare tactic.

It is shameful on the people pulling the tactic. It is shameful on those who fall for it. It is shameful on anyone who thinks it is somehow valid.

How about this - we ask kids if they would be happy if only 1% of the class got 50% of all of the available GPA then described that as capitalism? Yeah? No - that would be equally dishonest and irrelevant.

Oh FFS. The video isn't meant to be presented as a scientific fact. That you actually hold it to a standard like it is a paper presented to a scientific journal is ridiculous. It is nothing more than giving kids examples that they can relate to, because most of them have never had to earn a living. Its a simple demonstration of how something you earned is taken from you and given to someone who didn't earn it. Reading any more than that into it is just silly.

[1bad65]

Oh FFS. The video isn't meant to be presented as a scientific fact. That you actually hold it to a standard like it is a paper presented to a scientific journal is ridiculous. It is nothing more than giving kids examples that they can relate to, because most of them have never had to earn a living. Its a simple demonstration of how something you earned is taken from you and given to someone who didn't earn it. Reading any more than that into it is just silly.

You're giving him too much credit.

As you see, he totally missed the point, then he spewed a bunch of Team D talking points not rooted in reality.

A total NPC.

Gruber didn't call him "stupid" for nothing.

[Derranged]

Conservatives have this unrealistic fear of Socialism. A few things:

1- This country will never turn into a completely socialist country. NEVER.

2- This country is not purely capitalist. There are many socialist programs. The Democrats just want a little more and the Republicans want a little less.

3- Fixing the problems with crony capitalism does not mean we have to turn into a full blown Socialist country.

4- The problems with capitalism will never change and we're screwed.

The end.

[JJRod]

On the flip side, I'd like to cite China.

China went from a socialist economy to a more free market economy.

The people of China now see a much better standard of living.

Care to explain how that came to be?

Ding ding ding ding ding. We have a winner!

[The Big Dunn]

Interesting experiment.

https://www.thenation.com/article/so...emocrats-2020/

It's too bad the teacher didn't really try to truly educate his students and create real debate by having them study Milwaukee, Wisconsin in the early 1900's.

It would be nice to have a real discussion about economic policy but that isn't possible because the most ignorant an uniformed white nationalists and Trump supporters drive the discussion about "socialism".

[The Big Dunn]

Conservatives have this unrealistic fear of Socialism. A few things:

1- This country will never turn into a completely socialist country. NEVER.

2- This country is not purely capitalist. There are many socialist programs. The Democrats just want a little more and the Republicans want a little less.

3- Fixing the problems with crony capitalism does not mean we have to turn into a full blown Socialist country.

4- The problems with capitalism will never change and we're screwed.

The end.

Solid post right here that really sums up the issue.

[Lomasexual]

Oh FFS. The video isn't meant to be presented as a scientific fact. That you actually hold it to a standard like it is a paper presented to a scientific journal is ridiculous. It is nothing more than giving kids examples that they can relate to, because most of them have never had to earn a living. Its a simple demonstration of how something you earned is taken from you and given to someone who didn't earn it. Reading any more than that into it is just silly.

I'm reading it exactly as it is.

It is an ideological attempt to misrepresent something. It isn't meant to educate - it is meant to indoctrinate.

It is demonstrably misleading. Using superficial similarities while ignoring the vital differences is not innocently trying to make the ideas easier to understand. It is a dishonest scare tactic.

Reading it otherwise is simply showing sympathy for the ideology that is being indoctrinated.

Schools and universities are steaming shitholes for indoctrination. Every creepy ideologue wants to get their hands on kids when they are young and force their crap onto them while they are still impressionable.

There will be plenty of efforts to push these kids towards socialist ideology while they are at university too, and those efforts will probably also be dishonest.

Historically you will find all sorts of ideologies and beliefs have been pushed on kids. Communism was big on universities. Religion is always being forced on kids through private schools. SJW agendas are big at the moment - they are trying to get kids as young as possible into their ideology.

I like to think that most universities have calmed down a bit and can teach their courses on politics or economics in more neutral ways - but then you just have to look at their social science faculties to see that ideological indoctrination is just as overwhelming as it ever was.

I don't like ideologues trying to indoctrinate kids. It makes me angry. Leave kids alone.

[Derranged]

Solid post right here that really sums up the issue.

I must have made a good point since none of the conservatives responded.

[DreamerUSA]

I'm reading it exactly as it is.

It is an ideological attempt to misrepresent something. It isn't meant to educate - it is meant to indoctrinate.

It is demonstrably misleading. Using superficial similarities while ignoring the vital differences is not innocently trying to make the ideas easier to understand. It is a dishonest scare tactic.

Reading it otherwise is simply showing sympathy for the ideology that is being indoctrinated.

Schools and universities are steaming shitholes for indoctrination. Every creepy ideologue wants to get their hands on kids when they are young and force their crap onto them while they are still impressionable.

There will be plenty of efforts to push these kids towards socialist ideology while they are at university too, and those efforts will probably also be dishonest.

Historically you will find all sorts of ideologies and beliefs have been pushed on kids. Communism was big on universities. Religion is always being forced on kids through private schools. SJW agendas are big at the moment - they are trying to get kids as young as possible into their ideology.

I like to think that most universities have calmed down a bit and can teach their courses on politics or economics in more neutral ways - but then you just have to look at their social science faculties to see that ideological indoctrination is just as overwhelming as it ever was.

I don't like ideologues trying to indoctrinate kids. It makes me angry. Leave kids alone.

Again, you are reading far too much into the video lol. I don't see how the video is attempting to indoctrinate anyone. If anything it is forcing the kids to think. Hell you could see by many of the kids reactions that it was making them actually think about things. Which is a good thing and should be applauded, not attacked like the kids were getting handed copies of Mein Kampf.

[1bad65]

Again, you are reading far too much into the video lol. I don't see how the video is attempting to indoctrinate anyone. If anything it is forcing the kids to think. Hell you could see by many of the kids reactions that it was making them actually think about things. Which is a good thing and should be applauded, not attacked like the kids were getting handed copies of Mein Kampf.

He's not going to quit, or ever concede a point. That's how he rolls.

You can beat your head against that brick wall all you want, but I'm gonna give you fair warning first as you're one of the better posters here.


Now if you keep it up, then I may laugh at your futility.