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  • #61
    Originally posted by Szef View Post
    I'm Polish not him.

    The article started with a rant about Poland. In my reply I referred to that part and that part only. Didn't say anything about Sweden.
    I didn't say anything about Poland....did Vice provide any substance regarding Poland? I checked the article i think it even stated the UK. Maybe now I understand why so many heads were heated to respond and defend Sweden?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Lester Tutor View Post
      Wasn't Trump accussed of sexual harassment? You made your points about authority and who should say what... I see Zaroku
      I'm not an American and i'm not here to be Trumps personal defender, i don't know why you are telling me this, i do not support trumps policy, it's much to lenient,i would be much harder than him

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Lester Tutor View Post
        I didn't say anything about Poland....did Vice provide any substance regarding Poland? I checked the article i think it even stated the UK. Maybe now I understand why so many heads were heated to respond and defend Sweden?
        Go back to my original reply. I quoted the article you posted, highlighted the part about Poland and replied:

        Originally posted by Szef View Post
        Yeah, we're all massively racist because we don't want to let third world savages leech on our country.

        Let's just invite them with open arms and 12 year old girls ready to be raped like our tolerant friends, still known as the UK, and in the next 20 years the caliphate of England. We're such bigots for being one of the only two thinking straight countries in the EU.
        The bolded part is about Poland and Hungary being the only EU countries that won't accept any refugees.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Szef View Post
          Go back to my original reply. I quoted the article you posted, highlighted the part about Poland and replied:



          The bolded part is about Poland and Hungary being the only EU countries that won't accept any refugees.
          Respect for that, wish my country did the same

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Szef View Post
            Go back to my original reply. I quoted the article you posted, highlighted the part about Poland and replied:



            The bolded part is about Poland and Hungary being the only EU countries that won't accept any refugees.
            Wait, you said you were Polish. Are you a Polish American or do you live in Poland? By the way Poland does accept refugees, they just have to be Christian or Catholic..

            A caliphate in the UK? Right....

            Some Polish journalism for you:

            Why are Polish people so wrong about Muslims in their country?

            KASIA NARKOWICZ and KONRAD PEDZIWIATR 13

            January 2017
            Although Muslims in Poland constitute less than 0.1% of the total population, a recent survey found that Poles believe that 7% of their country is Muslim.


            Demonstrators shout slogans during a rally to protest plans to build a second mosque in Warsaw, Poland, Saturday, March 27, 2010. PAimages/ALIK KEPLICZ. All rights reserved.

            The recent Ipsos survey Perils of Perception showed that most countries believe their population is much more Muslim than it actually is. But the Poles emerge as the unquestionable leader in these overestimations. Although Muslims make up only around 35,000 of a 38 million population, Poles believe that their number is actually 2.6 million, which would make the Polish Muslim population one of the largest in the European Union after France, Germany and the UK.

            Furthermore, Poles believe that the number of Muslims in the country will grow to up to 13% by 2020. If this were to happen the Muslim population in Poland would have surpassed not only that of Italy, Spain and the Netherlands but even the British which has grown dynamically in the last decade.

            If this were to happen, Poland would need to experience a huge wave of Muslim migrants or massive processes of conversion. In reality, both phenomena are quite unthinkable not least because Poland has blocked the entry of refugees and done little to challenge the unprecedented rise of Islamophobic attacks within its borders in the last couple of years.

            Poland is currently one of the most religiously and ethnically ****genous countries in Europe and judging from the politics of the conservative government that came to power in 2015 the country is heading towards less, not more, diversity. But that is not what the Polish population believes.

            Interestingly, the number of Muslims in Poland is one of few estimations the Poles got so wrong in the Ipsos survey. In contrast, Poles scored much better than people in France, Hungary, Spain, Japan or Belgium when it came to their perceptions of other phenomena. So why the sudden and so exaggerated moral panic over Muslims? Looking back historically, we know this is a recent phenomenon.

            Islam in Poland
            Islam has a long history in Poland dating back to the fourteenth century with little recorded hostility towards the then quite sizable Muslim minority. Before Poland disappeared from the maps of Europe at the end of the eighteenth century it was home to almost 30 purpose-built mosques and prayer houses.

            At that time, Poland was ethnically and religiously diverse with significant groups of Tatars, Jews, Armenians, Ukrainians and Germans living side by side with Poles and Lithuanians. After the Second World War, only about 10% of the Muslim settlements stayed within the new Polish borders and the country became one of the most religiously ****genous countries in Europe.

            During Communism, a significant number of Muslim students came to Poland from ‘befriended’ socialist countries in the Middle East, thus contributing to a small revival of Islam. Today, while Polish Muslims are small in numbers they are a diverse mix of communities from Tatars, former students from Arab countries who settled in Poland and recent converts. Unfortunately, this long and vibrant history of Islam in Poland is forgotten in the current discourse on Islam and Muslims in the country.

            Why are Poles so wrong about Muslims in their country?
            The exaggeration of the size of the Muslim community in Poland is tied with political changes in the country in the last couple of years and increasingly divisive nationalistic rhetoric around the imagined presence of Muslims in the country. The 2015 elections won by the right-wing Law and Justice party opened up a space in Parliament to members of the far right National Movement.

            Politicians have frequently invoked Islamophobic rhetoric, empowering far-right groups and contributing to a climate where not only Islamophobia, but also anti-Semitism, ****phobia, sexism and other expressions of hate seem permissible. This in turn empowered far-right groups that organised several anti-refugee and anti-Muslim demonstrations in 2015 in cities that are home to Muslim minorities such as Białystok. Wrocław, Gdańsk and Kraków.

            While Muslims were previously disliked as an ‘external enemy’ and usually mentioned in the context of terrorist attacks abroad or through the Polish involvement in military invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan, the figure of the Muslim as a dangerous Other slowly transformed to an ‘internal enemy’ who was supposedly posing a threat to Poland.

            The refugee crisis helped in cementing views that Muslims were taking over Europe. It mattered less that this was predominantly an imaginary threat as the substantial inflow of migrants and refugees to Poland has not taken place. The new Polish government has been particularly reluctant in opening its borders to refugees and as such, Poland did not experience a ‘migration crisis’ and was never even a transit country for refugees.

            And yet Poles believed in the divisive rhetoric of many of its leaders about an imagined inflow of Muslims. Why? The media bombardment of stories about a Muslim invasion certainly fueled some of the misconceptions. Several conservative mainstream Polish news outlets in Poland published front cover images depicting Poland being ‘flooded’ by Muslims, for example carrying bombs, and drawing parallels to a famous image of Nazi invasion of Poland in the 1930s, with Muslims now being portrayed as German soldiers.

            In contrast to other European countries where Islamophobia is on the rise, Poland’s minorities are too small a group to challenge these false ideas. Instead, they have painfully felt the country’s’ increasing hostility towards all forms of Otherness. Our research on Islamophobia in Poland has confirmed that there has been an unprecedented rise in anti-Muslim sentiments resulting in attacks on individuals, mosques and places of business such as kebab shops (for a detailed chronological review of recent attacks see the European Islamophobia Report 2015 and the forthcoming 2016 report).

            According to Association Never Again (Nigdy Wiecej) the numbers of ****phobic, racist or xenophobic incidents per month drastically shot up from around 20 a month to 20 a week. In recent years we have also observed a particular focus with Muslim women at the centre of both far-right and liberal anti-Muslim agendas.

            During 2016, frequent news of verbal or physical attacks on Muslims or ‘foreign-looking’ people, including women wearing the hijab, in different parts of Poland circulated on social media platforms and in independent media. Since the current government abandoned the only government body committed to tackling racial discrimination and refused to institutionally tackle the growing number of hate crimes it is largely up to the civil society to do the work of reporting and resistance.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Lester Tutor View Post
              No wonder my dude Badou Jack in Vegas... H&M doe playing the fool...

              Swedish Minister for Culture Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth



              https://www.google.com.tr/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/nn4d98/guide-to-european-racist-leagues

              The BBC's Panorama programbroke the news that Poles are all massively racist. What were we even thinking of letting those bigots host the Euro 2012 soccer tournament? In response, the British press has been rumbling and wrangling away at people about it in that way the press does when it has nothing else to talk about. What the BBC have willfully ignored, however, is whether any other country in Europe is actually any better.

              We at VICE are more scientific than that, so we cast a quick glance around the continent for racists.

              SWEDEN



              If you'd like to see a bunch of Swedish fascists in action you should watch our film Teenage Riot: May Day in Eskilstuna.

              The Tag
              The home of enlightened progressive thought and bending-over-backwards cultural deference.

              The Evidence
              FACT
              Sweden was the first country in the world to introduce a research center for racial biology—in the town of Upsalla. It was there that the idea of forced sterilization of the mentally ill, the physically disabled, the gay, or people suffering from ethnic minority-ness first found scientific credibility. Incredibly, this tactic was approved by the government and was still technically legal under Swedish law until fairly recently. Before 1975, if you were caught with a red hot pair of scissors in the vicinity of a gay Somali's testes, legally-speaking, there was nothing the police could do.

              FACT
              A recent survey showed that job-seekers in Sweden have a 50 percent higher chance of being called up for an interview if they have a Swedish-sounding name rather than an Arab-sounding one.

              FACT
              Earlier this year, Swedish Minister for Culture Lena Adelsohn Liljeroth decided that she should do more to promote cultural harmony for World Art Day. So she ceremonially cut open a cake. This was the cake:

              That's her with the plate, by the way. Not the one lying down. Note all the people in the background going, "Go on, Lena, keep grinning, that's it, yeah, God, this pic is gonna look great on Facebook when I do a witty caption about the end of your career."

              Verdict
              Swedes are a nasty bunch of CV-binning cake-baking race haters, for whom tying the tubes of anyone who doesn't fulfill their eugenicized national ideal is as natural as tying their shoelaces (though we have to admit that all that eugenics has left them extremely good looking).

              Travel Advice
              Avoid if you are anything up to and including a Norweigan, have one tooth a little bit twisted or suffer from occasional eczema: you will be taking a Zyklon B power-shower within minutes of landing.

              Racism Rating
              5/5
              This is old. It was racist and cannibalistic, but it is old as ****.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by megas30 View Post
                This is old. It was racist and cannibalistic, but it is old as ****.

                Almost half of Swedes think racism will increase in the country



                11 January 2018 07:58 CET+01:00

                Almost half of Swedes surveyed in a new study said they think racism will grow in the country over the coming year, while a similar amount said they had witnessed it in the 12 months before.

                The results come from a Novus survey commissioned by The Living History Forum, which took in the opinions of 1,111 people in Sweden between November and December 2017.

                Asked "have you witnessed something you would call racism in Sweden over the last year?", 47 percent answered yes. And 44 percent said they believe that racism in Swedish society will increase somewhat or a lot in the coming year.

                The solution? Almost seven out of 10 said there needs to be more discussion about racism in Swedish society, while almost as many believe that more knowledge about racism would make it easier to discuss it.

                "There are many groups in society who don't know how to deal with racism. We receive indications of that all the time," The Living History Forum curator Ingrid Lomfors told news agency TT.

                "These figures are really disheartening, and serious, and they show how incredibly important this issue is for many people."

                The Living History Forum is a Swedish public authority tasked by the government with battling racism. It has now launched a project called "talk racism", where through webpages and other methods they work to make racism a more openly discussed subject.

                "We need a conversation in society based in research and knowledge," Lomfors concluded.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Lester Tutor View Post
                  Wait, you said you were Polish. Are you a Polish American or do you live in Poland? By the way Poland does accept refugees, they just have to be Christian or Catholic..

                  A caliphate in the UK? Right....

                  Some Polish journalism for you:

                  Why are Polish people so wrong about Muslims in their country?

                  KASIA NARKOWICZ and KONRAD PEDZIWIATR 13

                  January 2017
                  Although Muslims in Poland constitute less than 0.1% of the total population, a recent survey found that Poles believe that 7% of their country is Muslim.


                  Demonstrators shout slogans during a rally to protest plans to build a second mosque in Warsaw, Poland, Saturday, March 27, 2010. PAimages/ALIK KEPLICZ. All rights reserved.

                  The recent Ipsos survey Perils of Perception showed that most countries believe their population is much more Muslim than it actually is. But the Poles emerge as the unquestionable leader in these overestimations. Although Muslims make up only around 35,000 of a 38 million population, Poles believe that their number is actually 2.6 million, which would make the Polish Muslim population one of the largest in the European Union after France, Germany and the UK.

                  Furthermore, Poles believe that the number of Muslims in the country will grow to up to 13% by 2020. If this were to happen the Muslim population in Poland would have surpassed not only that of Italy, Spain and the Netherlands but even the British which has grown dynamically in the last decade.

                  If this were to happen, Poland would need to experience a huge wave of Muslim migrants or massive processes of conversion. In reality, both phenomena are quite unthinkable not least because Poland has blocked the entry of refugees and done little to challenge the unprecedented rise of Islamophobic attacks within its borders in the last couple of years.

                  Poland is currently one of the most religiously and ethnically ****genous countries in Europe and judging from the politics of the conservative government that came to power in 2015 the country is heading towards less, not more, diversity. But that is not what the Polish population believes.

                  Interestingly, the number of Muslims in Poland is one of few estimations the Poles got so wrong in the Ipsos survey. In contrast, Poles scored much better than people in France, Hungary, Spain, Japan or Belgium when it came to their perceptions of other phenomena. So why the sudden and so exaggerated moral panic over Muslims? Looking back historically, we know this is a recent phenomenon.

                  Islam in Poland
                  Islam has a long history in Poland dating back to the fourteenth century with little recorded hostility towards the then quite sizable Muslim minority. Before Poland disappeared from the maps of Europe at the end of the eighteenth century it was home to almost 30 purpose-built mosques and prayer houses.

                  At that time, Poland was ethnically and religiously diverse with significant groups of Tatars, Jews, Armenians, Ukrainians and Germans living side by side with Poles and Lithuanians. After the Second World War, only about 10% of the Muslim settlements stayed within the new Polish borders and the country became one of the most religiously ****genous countries in Europe.

                  During Communism, a significant number of Muslim students came to Poland from ‘befriended’ socialist countries in the Middle East, thus contributing to a small revival of Islam. Today, while Polish Muslims are small in numbers they are a diverse mix of communities from Tatars, former students from Arab countries who settled in Poland and recent converts. Unfortunately, this long and vibrant history of Islam in Poland is forgotten in the current discourse on Islam and Muslims in the country.

                  Why are Poles so wrong about Muslims in their country?
                  The exaggeration of the size of the Muslim community in Poland is tied with political changes in the country in the last couple of years and increasingly divisive nationalistic rhetoric around the imagined presence of Muslims in the country. The 2015 elections won by the right-wing Law and Justice party opened up a space in Parliament to members of the far right National Movement.

                  Politicians have frequently invoked Islamophobic rhetoric, empowering far-right groups and contributing to a climate where not only Islamophobia, but also anti-Semitism, ****phobia, sexism and other expressions of hate seem permissible. This in turn empowered far-right groups that organised several anti-refugee and anti-Muslim demonstrations in 2015 in cities that are home to Muslim minorities such as Białystok. Wrocław, Gdańsk and Kraków.

                  While Muslims were previously disliked as an ‘external enemy’ and usually mentioned in the context of terrorist attacks abroad or through the Polish involvement in military invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan, the figure of the Muslim as a dangerous Other slowly transformed to an ‘internal enemy’ who was supposedly posing a threat to Poland.

                  The refugee crisis helped in cementing views that Muslims were taking over Europe. It mattered less that this was predominantly an imaginary threat as the substantial inflow of migrants and refugees to Poland has not taken place. The new Polish government has been particularly reluctant in opening its borders to refugees and as such, Poland did not experience a ‘migration crisis’ and was never even a transit country for refugees.

                  And yet Poles believed in the divisive rhetoric of many of its leaders about an imagined inflow of Muslims. Why? The media bombardment of stories about a Muslim invasion certainly fueled some of the misconceptions. Several conservative mainstream Polish news outlets in Poland published front cover images depicting Poland being ‘flooded’ by Muslims, for example carrying bombs, and drawing parallels to a famous image of Nazi invasion of Poland in the 1930s, with Muslims now being portrayed as German soldiers.

                  In contrast to other European countries where Islamophobia is on the rise, Poland’s minorities are too small a group to challenge these false ideas. Instead, they have painfully felt the country’s’ increasing hostility towards all forms of Otherness. Our research on Islamophobia in Poland has confirmed that there has been an unprecedented rise in anti-Muslim sentiments resulting in attacks on individuals, mosques and places of business such as kebab shops (for a detailed chronological review of recent attacks see the European Islamophobia Report 2015 and the forthcoming 2016 report).

                  According to Association Never Again (Nigdy Wiecej) the numbers of ****phobic, racist or xenophobic incidents per month drastically shot up from around 20 a month to 20 a week. In recent years we have also observed a particular focus with Muslim women at the centre of both far-right and liberal anti-Muslim agendas.

                  During 2016, frequent news of verbal or physical attacks on Muslims or ‘foreign-looking’ people, including women wearing the hijab, in different parts of Poland circulated on social media platforms and in independent media. Since the current government abandoned the only government body committed to tackling racial discrimination and refused to institutionally tackle the growing number of hate crimes it is largely up to the civil society to do the work of reporting and resistance.
                  OK and? What does that article supposed to prove? That there are Poles who aren't opposed to immigrants?

                  Of course there are, but they're in the minority. 15% of the society (at best) agrees with these authors I never heard of (probably because they write dumbass articles like this one.)

                  But regular people I spoke with about this issue don't want those people in Poland. Period. I honestly only met one person who wasn't opposed to immigration, my ex girlfriend's friend. And she was a student in college at the time, so obviously I took her opinion with a grain of salt because she didn't have much life experience, just nice sounding slogans and ideas she read online.

                  We don't want those animals in Poland and for a good reason:

                  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...man-Italy.html

                  This case was all over the news for weeks when it happened. The already bad opinion about refugees has only gotten worse because of this.

                  Our current government is very conservative and has a high approval rating so trust me, Muslims and refugees in Poland ain't gonna happen. Thank God.
                  Last edited by Szef; 01-11-2018, 02:14 PM.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Szef View Post
                    OK and? What does that article supposed to prove? That there are Poles who aren't opposed to immigrants?

                    Of course there are, but they're in the minority. 15% of the society (at best) agrees with these authors I never heard of (probably because they write dumbass articles like this one.)

                    But regular people I spoke with about this issue don't want those people in Poland. Period. I honestly only met one person who wasn't opposed to immigration, my ex girlfriend's friend. And she was a student in college at the time, so obviously I took her opinion with a grain of salt because she didn't have much life experience, just nice sounding slogans and ideas she read online.

                    We don't want those animals in Poland and for a good reason:

                    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...man-Italy.html

                    This case was all over the news for weeks when it happened. The already bad opinion about refugees has only gotten worse because of this.

                    Our current government is very conservative and has a high approval rating so trust me, Muslims and refugees in Poland ain't gonna happen. Thank God.
                    You didn't answer my question, are you Polish American or bona-fide Polski living in Poland? Be honest.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Lester Tutor View Post
                      You didn't answer my question, are you Polish American or bona-fide Polski living in Poland? Be honest.
                      Born and raised in Poland.

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