Did Columbus Discover America?

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Africans discovered America and the Caribbean Islands before Columbus according to evidence offered by some scholars. Professor Leo Wiener, of Harvard University, in his writings, The Presence of Negroes, claims blacks were in the Americas long before Columbus. His argument is based on the proliferation of statues that posses typical Negro features and African-like monuments located through Central America and the number of maroon colonies in Mexico. V. Riva Palacio was quoted in A.J. Rogers' Book of Amazing Facts saying, "It is indisputable that in very ancient times...the Negro race occupied our territory (Mexico) when the two continents were joined. This race brought its own religious cults and idols. The Mexicans had a black god, Ixliton, which means black-faced".

The pre-existence of blacks in America before Columbus was supported by other historical accounts. According to author, James W. Loewen, "When Columbus reached Haiti, he found the Arawaks in possession of some spear points made of guanine. The Indians told members of Columbs' party that they got the guanine from black traders who had come from the South and East. Guanine proved to be an alloy of gold, silver and copper, identical to the gold alloy preferred by West Africans, who called it "guanine.". Islamic historians have recorded stories of black sailors going into the West. Genetic studies found that traces of diseases common in Africa were also found in pre-Columbian corpses in Brazil. Columbus' son, Ferdinand, who accompanied the admiral on his third voyage, reported that people he met or heard about in eastern Honduras, were"...almost black in color..." and probably African. The first Europeans to reach Panama, Balboa and company, reported seeing black slaves in an Indian town. The Indians reported they had captured them from a nearby black community".

Even if there had never been any reports of blacks in the Americas, their presence seems only logical. A look at the world globe suggests that Africans probably arrived in America before Europeans. If European explorers set out due west, they would land in Iceland or the extreme northern parts of the North American continent. If European explorers did not know where they were going why would they sail southwest, against the currents, to get to the Far East.

Contrarily, it was easier for African explorers to "discover" America because it is closer and directly west of the African continent.

Yes, from a European perspective.

[Chollo Vista]

Yes, from a European perspective.

Of course.........

[Drunken Cat]

Just a note, Japanese castaways almost certainly landed in Alaska through the centuries. It's the nature of the tides up there.

There was also interchange along the aleutian island chains, which basically connect japan, russia, and alaska. Google earth it.

[TonyGe]

Africans discovered America and the Caribbean Islands before Columbus according to evidence offered by some scholars. Professor Leo Wiener, of Harvard University, in his writings, The Presence of Negroes, claims blacks were in the Americas long before Columbus. His argument is based on the proliferation of statues that posses typical Negro features and African-like monuments located through Central America and the number of maroon colonies in Mexico. V. Riva Palacio was quoted in A.J. Rogers' Book of Amazing Facts saying, "It is indisputable that in very ancient times...the Negro race occupied our territory (Mexico) when the two continents were joined. This race brought its own religious cults and idols. The Mexicans had a black god, Ixliton, which means black-faced".

The pre-existence of blacks in America before Columbus was supported by other historical accounts. According to author, James W. Loewen, "When Columbus reached Haiti, he found the Arawaks in possession of some spear points made of guanine. The Indians told members of Columbs' party that they got the guanine from black traders who had come from the South and East. Guanine proved to be an alloy of gold, silver and copper, identical to the gold alloy preferred by West Africans, who called it "guanine.". Islamic historians have recorded stories of black sailors going into the West. Genetic studies found that traces of diseases common in Africa were also found in pre-Columbian corpses in Brazil. Columbus' son, Ferdinand, who accompanied the admiral on his third voyage, reported that people he met or heard about in eastern Honduras, were"...almost black in color..." and probably African. The first Europeans to reach Panama, Balboa and company, reported seeing black slaves in an Indian town. The Indians reported they had captured them from a nearby black community".

Even if there had never been any reports of blacks in the Americas, their presence seems only logical. A look at the world globe suggests that Africans probably arrived in America before Europeans. If European explorers set out due west, they would land in Iceland or the extreme northern parts of the North American continent. If European explorers did not know where they were going why would they sail southwest, against the currents, to get to the Far East.

Contrarily, it was easier for African explorers to "discover" America because it is closer and directly west of the African continent.

No Columbus obviously wasn't the first to discover American. There were people here when he landed. That narrative was written by Europeans. Blacks could have been to North America along with Polynesians, Asians and any number of groups throughout history.

[Rudyo]

Eventually, yes. Well after their many contributions/advancements to Europe.



The Moors were black Africans

Why do you think it's ok to try to steal anything that's black and positive or try to separate it?

Both of you are right and wrong in a way, yet are too invested in your side of the argument to see the truth. The Moors were a mixture of different cultures, religions and backgrounds. Some were black, some were Berber, some were Arabs. It is basically understood now that the term "Moors" has very little historical value, and no one ever identified themselves as "Moorish" even back then. It was used to describe Muslims from North Africa and other areas much like the word Saracen.

[Chollo Vista]

Both of you are right and wrong in a way, yet are too invested in your side of the argument to see the truth. The Moors were a mixture of different cultures, religions and backgrounds. Some were black, some were Berber, some were Arabs. It is basically understood now that the term "Moors" has very little historical value, and no one ever identified themselves as "Moorish" even back then. It was used to describe Muslims from North Africa and other areas much like the word Saracen.

The moors were black Africans

Why you guys try to separate and distinguish the different characteristics of Africans, but not Europeans baffles me

And yes people did identify themselves as moors.

Do you know what the word moor means? It means black. The word Arab was created to be used instead of Moor by some people

[Rudyo]

The moors were black Africans

Why you guys try to separate and distinguish the different characteristics of Africans, but not Europeans baffles me

And yes people did identify themselves as moors.

Do you know what the word moor means? It means black. The word Arab was created to be used instead of Moor by some people

You obviously have certain things invested in that word, but it really is bunk. Mainstream historical view too, not just me saying it. Original Moors were Berbers. Who are not black. Exactly proved my point with the root of the word, it was used to describe the skin tone of the people they faced, (lot of arabs, west africans and berbers) and not any certain kind of ethnicity.

Moors were not a people, but the word used to describe people who lived in a geographical area which included people who were both black and those who were not. Similar to how Europeans called a lot of different ethnicity of people Saracens.

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Damn that Columbus for helping to bring the Americas out of the Stone Age.

[Elroy The Great]

wgaf

why does it matter

IF africans ''discovered'' america 1st, why didnt they stay

http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Egypt.htm

[JimRaynor]

Ah man, another "We Were Kangz" thread.

Cmon Chollo, we were kangz was invented for this very sort of thing.

Who cares who travelled here first, even if it were Africans (which it was not). In the end it was the Europeans who ended up ruling North and South America.