Are You People Mad In Britain Electing Corbyn?

[JimRaynor]

Under his plans 95% of people would see no rise in income tax, so no, you're wrong.

He wants to subsidize all tuition, how exactly do you do that by only taxing 5% of the population. He's pitching the same stupid dreams that Bernie pitched and millennial, hipsters, cucks, and the uneducated love jumping on board the pipe dream.

Nonsense, straight out of the Fox news propaganda machine.

Socialism never tanked the economy, that was laissez faire capitalism.

Socialism brought a lot to the developed world, arguably more than 'capitalism'.

Socialism cannot exist without capitalism. You need to tax the producers and businesses in order to fund social programs. Unless you want to go full fledge communism and nationalize the countries business and centralize your economy to be state run. And we all know how that turns out.

Capitalism creates the fruits and socialism redistributes them.

[Hype job]

He wants to subsidize all tuition, how exactly do you do that by only taxing 5% of the population. He's pitching the same stupid dreams that Bernie pitched and millennial, hipsters, cucks, and the uneducated love jumping on board the pipe dream.

High school tuition is state subsidized, as is the military. In Germany college is free.

Socialism cannot exist without capitalism. You need to tax the producers and businesses in order to fund social programs. Unless you want to go full fledge communism and nationalize the countries business and centralize your economy to be state run. And we all know how that turns out.

Capitalism creates the fruits and socialism redistributes them.

Never mentioned anything about communism.

WORKERS create the fruits not 'capitalism' 'socialism' or 'communism', if the producers (the workers) decide to elect a socialist government and pay more in taxes to fund social programs that is their choice.

[Citizen Koba]

These people are brainwashed to vote against their own interests, it's dystopian.

Economic growth was better during the 40s-70s, where the richest paid a lot more in tax, strong investments in public services, no offshoring etc, wages were rising faster than any other period.

What gave rise to the internet, touchscreen technology, the interstate highway system etc. Public investments aka socialistic policies, they all emanated from the public sector.

Yeah I'd been meaning to touch on that, and don't get me started on corporate fuckin welfare, both of which totally undermine the vaunted principles of laissez-faire and free competition anyway. Why the fuck would I vote to give my money directly to investors who already (by definition) have more than they need? Hell, I don't mind paying to provide a subsistance standard of living for the poorest or the ill or for projects that benefit the whole of society, but giving my money to somone who is already 50 or a hundred times richer than I am? No thanks.

[Citizen Koba]

No they aren't, and frankly you really don't know what you are talking about on this.

The political arm of the loyalist paramilitaries is the Progressive Unionist Party (PUP).

The DUP have always publicly disavowed and condemned acts Loyalist terrorism, unlike Sinn Fein whose leaders who are actually terrorists, they have sent people to death, had them tortured buried and still refuse today to say where the bodies are buried. Condemn them? they are them. The DUP leadership are in the main middle class, educated people from good backgrounds.

Granted there have been isolated occasions where Loyalists have turned up at rallies or appeared in photos over the past 30-40 years, but that's a long way from any involvement with or directing terrorism.

The DUP's leader herself had bomb placed under her school bus when she was a young girl, her father was shot in a field by the IRA. Jeremy Corbyn supported the IRA at this time, and when they were placing bombs killing children in Manchester and he still supports them today.

The long-since terrorised British people of Northern Ireland would never vote for terrorist party, that's why the PUP never got a notable share of the vote from them.

It's an entirely false equivalence the anti-Brexit London media are trying to draw in order to keep Britain in the EU against the democratic wishes of the British people.

That's probably fair, man, or at least it's fair to say that I considerably overstated the case. Perhaps I should better have put it that the DUP enjoys the support of the Unionist Paramilitary groups, though they do indeed publicly disavow them. Sorry man, it's more that many of my opinions were formed during the 80s when Fire and Brimstone Paisley was the face you saw on the news alongside the latest Unionist violence - and you are correct I have and had a lot of gaps in my knowledge, which I'm working to remedy.

I do note however that you seem to be drawing a distinction between what you call the 'British' people of Northern Ireland and someone else. I'm assuming you mean those with Republican beliefs here? Just to point out that regardless of their beliefs they are and remain British citizens and under law - until such time as they ain't - should enjoy the exact same rights and treatment as any other British citizen. This issue is kind of central to the troubles and should probably be acknowledged.

[DeadLikeMe]

Nah...I love when the guy has celebrities singing in his car with him. He's way better than Trump talentwise.

[JimRaynor]

High school tuition is state subsidized, as is the military. In Germany college is free.

Highschool is also free in the USA, and the community colleges are very cheap, state colleges aren't that crazy expensive either, and just about anyone can attend.

Never mentioned anything about communism.

WORKERS create the fruits not 'capitalism' 'socialism' or 'communism', if the producers (the workers) decide to elect a socialist government and pay more in taxes to fund social programs that is their choice.

Workers produced fruits in the Soviet Union and we saw how that turned out. If the system is rotten no matter the amount of workers will fix it. And yes you are right, the people of a country decide what government and economic system they want, and we can agree to disagree which system is the best. But let's just say USA didn't become the wealthiest, and most powerful nation on earth by following the European lead.

[1bad65]

In Germany college is free.

Um, no.

Someone is paying for it, though it may not be the student.

Basic Economics there.

[Hype job]

Um, no.

Someone is paying for it, though it may not be the student.

Basic Economics there.

Yeah, it's paid collectively by taxpayers.

[Hype job]

Workers produced fruits in the Soviet Union and we saw how that turned out. If the system is rotten no matter the amount of workers will fix it. And yes you are right, the people of a country decide what government and economic system they want, and we can agree to disagree which system is the best. But let's just say USA didn't become the wealthiest, and most powerful nation on earth by following the European lead.

The soviet union's achievements are actually very underrated when you look at what they started with.

And you're not 100% right on the bolded, the Free market, laissez faire capitalism is relatively new in America's history.

America had better wage and GDP growth when it was more socialistic during the post war period from 1950-1970.

[1bad65]

Yeah, it's paid collectively by taxpayers.

So then it's not really free, and some folks get screwed.

See, the people who get the "free" college then pay higher taxes when they get jobs so the next generation gets their "free" college.

And the people who don't go to college, well they pay the higher taxes anyway.

And the Government oversees this, so they get their cut ,which raises the cost.

Ain't socialism great!