Mass shooting at gay club in Orlando, Florida

[The Big Dunn]

Don't need one. The point is islam calls for killing gays, and this dude obviously put that belief into action.

This imam isn't the only one saying that, fyi. The koran says it multiple times as well.

No source that Mateen was there. ok. So if you need not source, please stop asking others to.

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9/10 people on the terrorist watch list who wanted buy guns, were able to. That's fcking nuts...

This **** needs to end, you baby dick, insecure, need a gun to feel tough, ring wing puppets need to start using your common sense.

Definitely by teenage comrade. Right-wingers at it again!

Pro-ISIS Muslim who a democratic administration left alone after catching because they didn't want "racial profiling" who owns a licensed firearm because he was allowed to work in the security field.

No doubt about it. Republicans.

I wish I were joking about this but I'm not. I think someone like Addix could passively watch ISIS brutally rape his own mother and the next day send angry emails to local Republican representatives for not encouraging free condom dispensers in every home. Or whatever bizarre connection he could concoct to blame it on "right-wingers".

His brain is not his own. Just a broken person lingering on.

Muslims invading our country and killing us in droves?? The only solution: Disarm ourselves and bring more of them.

To him this doesn't sound insane. It doesn't sound like satire, sarcasm or any sort of parody. It's a logical way to be edgy and "show those Republicans." A mentally broken puddle.

[AddiX]

Definitely by teenage comrade. Right-wingers at it again!

Pro-ISIS Muslim who a democratic administration left alone after catching because they didn't want "racial profiling" who owns a licensed firearm because he was allowed to work in the security field.

No doubt about it. Republicans.

I wish I were joking about this but I'm not. I think someone like Addix could passively watch ISIS brutally rape his own mother and the next day send angry emails to local Republican representatives for not encouraging free condom dispensers in every home. Or whatever bizarre connection he could concoct to blame it on "right-wingers".

His brain is not his own. Just a broken person lingering on.

Muslims invading our country and killing us in droves?? The only solution: Disarm ourselves and bring more of them.

To him this doesn't sound insane. It doesn't sound like satire, sarcasm or any sort of parody. It's a logical way to be edgy and "show those Republicans." A mentally broken puddle.

I'm sorry was it republicans or democrats who voted against the bill to stop arming anyone on the terrorist watch list?

Oh yeah, it was republicans.

Your too fcking ******ed to realize you support a political party that openly supports arming terrorist. They openly support selling to fcking mexican drug cartels! Why do you Mexican drug cartels all use brand new American guns?

They don't give a **** about you or me, they want $ and power and thats it.

FBI couldn't do anything to stop him from having a gun because the NRA fights for him to have it!

Mass shootings = big $ for gun companies

[The Big Dunn]

Has that been confirmed yet? Like I said, the claim he had a Jack'd account was shown to be false.



Strawman argument (that's at least THREE now...), as I didn't say he had contact with radical islamists. I said radical islam is a factor in this terror attack. Keep up please.



So we have one person making the allegation this happened years ago, but not one person has came forward showing he actually did go on dates or have sex with dudes in all the years after.



LMFAO!!!!

My opinions aren't speculation! That's golden.




Um, I need to know what you want sourced. If you cant tell me, I cant provide sourcing. Quit playing games. If you need something sourced, cite it and ask.




Oh God. This one is a mess, and you're misusing the term 'strawman argument'. As I've told many folks previous, dont use big words you don't know the meaning of. It makes one look ignorant, and insecure about said ignorance to boot. If you need the term defined, just ask. Someone taught it to me, and I'm happy to pass that knowledge along.

As for the rest, it shows such a lack of knowledge in basic Economics and recent history, it's really pointless for me to argue that with you. It's like arguing advanced Chemistry with a guy who says Oxygen is a heavier element than Lead. It will lead nowhere, except for frustration for the teacher.

It is short sighted to assume nations with different economies and governments will have the same outcomes when social policies are enacted. Fear of the USA becoming a socialist state would be justified if the US had similar characteristics as Venezuela. it's pointless because you do not have facts to rebut the points I made.

Venezuela's problems does not IMO justify fear about Socialism. Without taking into consideration the differences in economy and government, you fail to take into consideration how those differences might prevent policies from having the same effect here.

You have not shown you know anything about economics or history. All you've done is avoid rebuttal, claim my point lacks knowledge, then represent you have knowledge without having proven it. I guess that works certain places.

[The Big Dunn]

More evidence coming to light, including the shooter posing his allegiance to ISIS on his Facebook page.

"The same morning Omar Mateen killed 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, he posted on Facebook his allegiance to ISIS, ordered America and Russia to “stop bombing” the terror group and warned of attacks to come, FBI officials said.

“You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes..now taste the Islamic state vengeance [sic],” Mateen posted, according officials in the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division. “In the next few days you will see attacks from the Islamic State [ISIS] in the usa.”"

Source:
https://gma.yahoo.com/orlando-shoote...pstories.html#

Ready to concede the obvious that this is a case of radical islamic terrorism, or must this go on?

From the article you posted:

While ISIS has praised the attack and claimed Mateen as one of its “soldiers,” terrorism experts have told ABC News that so far there is no evidence ISIS had foreknowledge of or played any significant role in the plot, beyond perhaps generally inspiring Mateen to act.

His interest in gay men goes back as far as a decade, according to a former classmate at a police academy, who told ABC News Mateen hung out with a group that frequented gay clubs.

The classmate said that one night Mateen asked him if he was gay. “You would be my kind of guy,” Mateen said, according to the classmate.

[titan m]

And more facts come to light....

"A firebrand Muslim cleric noted for sermons calling for gay people to be executed reportedly preached at an Orlando-area mosque just weeks before a homegrown terrorist gunned down at least 49 people at a gay nightclub.

Sheikh Farrokh Sekaleshfar, a British-born scholar who currently lives in Iran and travels the world to spread his hateful message, preached at the Husseini Islamic Center in the Orlando suburb of Sanford last month. The sermon -- delivered behind closed doors -- was titled, “How to deal with the phenomenon of ****sexuality” and raised the ire of local LGBT community leaders.

The sermon came just three years after Sekaleshfar had spoken at another engagement in the U.S. where he discussed his twisted idea of “compassion” for gay people.

“Death is the sentence. There’s nothing to be embarrassed about this. Death is the sentence,” Sekaleshfar said during a 2013 sermon at the University of Michigan, according to Orlando-based WFTV 9. “We have to have that compassion for people. With ****sexuals, it’s the same. Out of compassion, let’s get rid of them now.”"

Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/13...-massacre.html

But hey, radical islam can't possibly be the cause, can it? Genius.

What bothers me about many of the people who refuse to acknowledge radical islam is a huge cause of violence against innocent people is when they say we cant blame all muslims for the actions of the radicals, which is true but at the same time they want to take guns away from all law abiding gun owners and citizens because of the actions of some idiots who use guns for the wrong reasons, it makes no sense to me.

I wish more muslims who claim to be against radical islam would speak up and fight against those who are giving them a bad name and causing problems for their religion as a whole. If that happened more maybe the world would be in a better place as far as the way it views the Islamic religion but if the ones who aren't radical are just going to stand by silent and not speak up or do their part against the radicals its very hard to sympathize with them. With all the protesting going on in America now I would love to see Muslims protesting and speaking out against Radical islam terrorists but its just not something we see very often and to me that says a lot.

How could somebody who claims to be so religious allow people to drag their Prophet and religion through the mud and give it such a bad name by repeatedly killing innocent people without trying to combat it unless they agree with what is happening? Non violent muslims need to separate themselves from extremists in order to begin to fix what's happening today as far as muslim relations go with the rest of the world.

[The Big Dunn]

What bothers me about many of the people who refuse to acknowledge radical islam is a huge cause of violence against innocent people is when they say we cant blame all muslims for the actions of the radicals, which is true but at the same time they want to take guns away from all law abiding gun owners and citizens because of the actions of some idiots who use guns for the wrong reasons, it makes no sense to me.

I wish more muslims who claim to be against radical islam would speak up and fight against those who are giving them a bad name and causing problems for their religion as a whole. If that happened more maybe the world would be in a better place as far as the way it views the Islamic religion but if the ones who aren't radical are just going to stand by silent and not speak up or do their part against the radicals its very hard to sympathize with them. With all the protesting going on in America now I would love to see Muslims protesting and speaking out against Radical islam terrorists but its just not something we see very often and to me that says a lot.

How could somebody who claims to be so religious allow people to drag their Prophet and religion through the mud and give it such a bad name by repeatedly killing innocent people without trying to combat it unless they agree with what is happening? Non violent muslims need to separate themselves from extremists in order to begin to fix what's happening today as far as muslim relations go with the rest of the world.

Respectfully but sincerely, Mateen was a law abding citizen. Roof's parents were law abiding citizens. The Columbine shooters were law abiding citizen. CHo was a law abiding citizen.

militray style weapons like the AR-15 allow law abiding citizens that get angry, radicalized, upset, crazy or whatever term we use , to kill innocent people in larger numbers than they would be able to if they were not available for purchase.

It's the same way we go about nuclear weapons-we try to keep them out of the hands of everyone to prevent the crazy despots and terrorists from getting one because they will use it.

I agree with your point about non violen muslims.

[MikeEhrmantraut]

Christians are encouraging Africans to kill gays too.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...gay-law-uganda


All three main religions are unequivocal when it comes to gays. the difference is all about ignoring God's "word" or putting it into practice.

Religion is all about cherrypicking. If people actually read and followed the Bible, societies would crumble.

[titan m]

Respectfully but sincerely, Mateen was a law abding citizen. Roof's parents were law abiding citizens. The Columbine shooters were law abiding citizen. CHo was a law abiding citizen.

militray style weapons like the AR-15 allow law abiding citizens that get angry, radicalized, upset, crazy or whatever term we use , to kill innocent people in larger numbers than they would be able to if they were not available for purchase.

It's the same way we go about nuclear weapons-we try to keep them out of the hands of everyone to prevent the crazy despots and terrorists from getting one because they will use it.

I agree with your point about non violen muslims.

They may be law abiding citizens but they are still a very small minority when you take into consideration the amount of people who legally own guns but don't shoot innocent people for no reason. I know this analogy has been used a million times but its true, you can never tell if a man will have a bad day or get radicalized or whatever and drive his car through a crowd of people either but we cant ban all motor vehicles just in case.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with firearms but I own a handgun, a semi automatic shot gun, a .22 rifle and a semi automatic centerfire rifle and I know for a fact they are all very deadly if a person wished to use them that way. If you took my semiauto centerfire rifle,which I assume you'd view as military style, away from me I could do just as much damage with any of the other guns I had left if i was a weirdo like these people who do this stuff, which I'm not.

I live in Canada though and our gun laws are a bit different here, from what i read the Orlando shooter was under watch by the FBI and interviewed a couple of times, up here he would never have been granted a firearms license but more than likely would've found a gun on the streets somewhere anyway. Our background checks are a bit more in depth from what i can tell, from the time i passed my firearms course to the time i got my license was about 3 months due to the background check.

[The Big Dunn]

They may be law abiding citizens but they are still a very small minority when you take into consideration the amount of people who legally own guns but don't shoot innocent people for no reason. I know this analogy has been used a million times but its true, you can never tell if a man will have a bad day or get radicalized or whatever and drive his car through a crowd of people either but we cant ban all motor vehicles just in case.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with firearms but I own a handgun, a semi automatic shot gun, a .22 rifle and a semi automatic centerfire rifle and I know for a fact they are all very deadly if a person wished to use them that way. If you took my semiauto centerfire rifle,which I assume you'd view as military style, away from me I could do just as much damage with any of the other guns I had left if i was a weirdo like these people who do this stuff, which I'm not.

I live in Canada though and our gun laws are a bit different here, from what i read the Orlando shooter was under watch by the FBI and interviewed a couple of times, up here he would never have been granted a firearms license but more than likely would've found a gun on the streets somewhere anyway. Our background checks are a bit more in depth from what i can tell, from the time i passed my firearms course to the time i got my license was about 3 months due to the background check.

I understand your point. The difference is a car has a specific use and if someone did that, they would not be using it as it was designed. An AR-15 and other military style weapons are specifically designed to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time. The mass murderers are using them exactly as they are designed, just not in a ground war. Can you see my point?

I am not an expert. Are those guns designed for military use? I am not advocating banning all guns, just guns specifically designed for military use that are now being sold to regular citizens, in large part because the US is not really engaged in the "ground war" business anymore. Addix makes a point I agree with-this appears more about profit then safety.

He was a security officer and had no record. He would've passed any background check in the US from my understanding. which leads me to another point.

As much as I may disagree with 1bad65 he made an excellent point a while ago that I agree with. Most suggest banning people from the no fly list to get guns, However, you can be put on the no fly list even if you haven't committed a crime. So it would be against everything I believe if we blocked a law abiding citizen from purchasing a weapon if they have done nothing illegal but were put on a no fly list ala Denny Crane (if you saw Boston Legal).

I know we can't stop crazy but I think we can make it more difficult for crazy, angry, radicalized etc. to kill 50 people in under 3 minutes.