Question for all liberal transgender supporters

[Enayze]

Your question is only legitimate if you provide examples of people becoming the opposite gender and receiving 'advantages'. Do you know of any instances of this?

Even then, there is an extensive amount of evidence to suggest gender reassignment results in much happier individuals. I don't think the same could be said for people identifying other races which I doubt even happens.

The average suicide attempt rate is 4.6% among the normal population, it is 41% in the transgender population.
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.ed...port-Final.pdf

There is little to no evidence to suggest what you just stated. Transgender people are mentally ill, and in need of real professional help. They do not need people like you and other buffoons on this board applauding their lifestyle.

[SouthPawHitman]

Why worry so much about what other people do to make themselves happy? I'd rather these people do what they gotta do then live miserable and be suicidal. Either way it doesn't bother me. Unless you frequent gay bars or live in a highly populated gay city, chances are you running into a transgender is pretty slim.

Anyways, OP your argument is kinda like when people who opposed gay marriage and they'd say "if we let two men marry eachother how long will it be before man marries his cat?!" Flawed argument really.

Anyways, never understood why people get so worked up about ****sexuals. Same type of people who love reading or watching films about Roman Gladiators but forget men were shagging eachother left and right back then lol. Seems pretty normal wherever you go about 10% or so of any population is gay.

Green K Sent for the sig. Golovkin has a sweet tan,much like myself. I gots a wicked tan line that the ladies love.

[Barn]

The average suicide attempt rate is 4.6% among the normal population, it is 41% in the transgender population.
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.ed...port-Final.pdf

There is little to no evidence to suggest what you just stated. Transgender people are mentally ill, and in need of real professional help. They do not need people like you and other buffoons on this board applauding their lifestyle.

How much is this due to the social stigma, familial issues and repression associated with being transgender though?

Your link doesn't say anything about how gender reassignment detrimentally affects the happiness or suicide rates of transexuals. In fact it supports my claim.

This study has identified several areas that are in
particular need of further research. First, more research
is needed into the timing of suicide attempts in relation
to age and gender transition status. In regard to timing
of suicide attempts and gender transition, some surveys
and clinical studies have found that transgender people
are at an elevated risk for suicide attempt during gender
transition, while rates of suicide attempts decrease
after gender transition (Whittle et al., 2007; DeCuypere
et al., 2006

There is also a good summary of the effects of gender reassignment on the happiness of individuals in this journal, which states the following. (Page 229 onwards)

In 1981, Pauly published results from a large
retrospective study of people who had undergone
sex reassignment surgery. Participants in that
study had much better outcomes: Among 83
FtM patients, 80.7% had a satisfactory outcome
(i.e., patient self report of “improved social
and emotional adjustment”), 6.0% unsatisfactory.
Among 283 MtF patients, 71.4% had a
satisfactory outcome, 8.1% unsatisfactory. This
study included patients who were treated before
the publication and use of the Standards of Care.
Since the Standards of Care have been in
place, there has been a steady increase in patient
satisfaction and decrease in dissatisfaction
with the outcome of sex reassignment surgery.

The vast majority
of follow-up studies have shown an undeniable
beneficial effect of sex reassignment surgery
on postoperative outcomes such as subjective
well being, cosmesis, and sexual function (De
Cuypere et al., 2005; Garaffa, Christopher, &
Ralph, 2010; Klein & Gorzalka, 2009), although
the specific magnitude of benefit is uncertain
from the currently available evidence. One study
(Emory, Cole, Avery, Meyer, & Meyer, 2003)
even showed improvement in patient income


Favorable effects of therapies
that included both hormones and surgery were
reported in a comprehensive review of over 2000
patients in 79 studies (mostly observational)
conducted between 1961 and 1991 (Eldh, Berg,
& Gustafsson, 1997; Gijs & Brewaeys, 2007;
Murad et al., 2010; Pfafflin & Junge, 1998). ¨
Patients operated on after 1986 did better than
those before 1986; this reflects significant improvement
in surgical complications (Eldh et al.,
1997). Most patients have reported improved
psychosocial outcomes, ranging between 87%
for MtF patients and 97% for FtM patients
(Green & Fleming, 1990). Similar improvements
were found in a Swedish study in which
“almost all patients were satisfied with sex
reassignment at 5 years, and 86% were assessed
by clinicians at follow-up as stable or improved
in global functioning” (Johansson, Sundbom,
Hojerback, & Bodlund, 2010). Weaknesses of ¨
these earlier studies are their retrospective design
and use of different criteria to evaluate
outcomes.
A prospective study conducted in the Netherlands
evaluated 325 consecutive adult and
adolescent subjects seeking sex reassignment
(Smith, Van Goozen, Kuiper, & Cohen-Kettenis,
2005). Patients who underwent sex reassignment
therapy (both hormonal and surgical intervention)
showed improvements in their mean gender
dysphoria scores, measured by the Utrecht Gender
Dysphoria Scale. Scores for body dissatisfaction
and psychological function also improved
in most categories. Fewer than 2% of patients
expressed regret after therapy. This is the largest
prospective study to affirm the results from retrospective
studies that a combination of hormone
therapy and surgery improves gender dysphoria
and other areas of psychosocial functioning.


http://www.wpath.org/uploaded_files/...0SOC,%20V7.pdf

I concede that I was mistaken in using the word "extensive", however the general consensus does seem that gender reassignment surgery is the best option we have at the moment for the happiness of transgender individuals. There is also some conflicting evidence so it's not as cut and dry an issue (I had the impression it was) so thanks for making me look it up again.

[leathernvouges]

I don't understand how it's being stuffed down your throat, exactly? You're just being exposed to it now and notice it because it's clearly a topic you have strong views about, which is fine, of course.

The whole issue of gendered bathrooms in this instance IS a strange one. However I think it's important not to confuse the handling of things like this with ones opinion of transgender people themselves. I'm not sure where I stand on the bathroom issue and I'm not sure how much of my unsureness of it comes from an instinctual uneasiness or a genuinely evaluated concern. It's something I'd have to do more research on and compare arguments from both sides before I make a comment.

Listen I have a son that's 4 and is b very pissed if he seen 2 men kissing in a normal matter because he's not old enough to understand what he's seeing and it's not a matter of someone's sexual preference it's everywhere u look it's promoted, do u see heterosexual parades no, u kno why because ppl don't give a damn, if I meet a guy somewhere I'm not gonna ask him if he's gay because it's not my business to kno but this hard push for accepting a alternative lifestyle is just to much

[krazyn8tive]

The average suicide attempt rate is 4.6% among the normal population, it is 41% in the transgender population.
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.ed...port-Final.pdf

There is little to no evidence to suggest what you just stated. Transgender people are mentally ill, and in need of real professional help. They do not need people like you and other buffoons on this board applauding their lifestyle.

It should be closer to 100%. Well, in a perfect world anyway.

[Barn]

Listen I have a son that's 4 and is b very pissed if he seen 2 men kissing in a normal matter because he's not old enough to understand what he's seeing and it's not a matter of someone's sexual preference it's everywhere u look it's promoted, do u see heterosexual parades no, u kno why because ppl don't give a damn, if I meet a guy somewhere I'm not gonna ask him if he's gay because it's not my business to kno but this hard push for accepting a alternative lifestyle is just to much

If he's not old enough to understand what he's seeing then it doesn't matter. I doubt one instance of your son seeing ****sexual kissing will be environmentally significant enough (in a world where heterosexuality is a significant majority of what he's exposed of) to ignite feelings of ****sexuality in him.

The reason there aren't heterosexual parades is because heterosexuals haven't been persecuted and stigmatized throughout history. Surely you could have worked that out for yourself?

[ИATAS]

Heterosexual parades lol wouldn't that just be literally every single parade that isn't a gay rights parade?

[2shameless]

I don't think the same could be said for people identifying other races which I doubt even happens.

You're not American, so you probably missed the former head of the NAACP in Spokane, Washington.





who was in the news here quite a bit for lying about her ethnicity. Trust me, it happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

[BigNuts]

I don't have a problem with what any of those sick degenerate freaks do.

My problem is how they shove it in everyone's faces, especially children.

Gays, transgenders etc. is all over the place. I'm remembering when I was 12-13 back in 99-early 2000's, all of this shyt wasn't spammed on the tv 24/7.

Hell it was big news when talk about ricky martin being gay surfaced. Now you turn on the news and none of it is a big deal.

The media in this country is brainwashing the masses with this and many other degenerate things. Doesn't work with me though. I can see it all for what it is.

[Enayze]

How much is this due to the social stigma, familial issues and repression associated with being transgender though?

Your link doesn't say anything about how gender reassignment detrimentally affects the happiness or suicide rates of transexuals. In fact it supports my claim.

My link states that transgenders have a 41% chance of attempting suicide to the 4.6% chance of the average person of attempting suicide.
Wall street Journal reported that those who actually have the surgery end up committing suicide at a 20 times higher rate than your average person. Those statistics in itself are screams about how unhappy these people are. Your claim is not supported, its actually the exact opposite.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mch...ion-1402615120

This study has identified several areas that are in
particular need of further research. First, more research
is needed into the timing of suicide attempts in relation
to age and gender transition status. In regard to timing
of suicide attempts and gender transition, some surveys
and clinical studies have found that transgender people
are at an elevated risk for suicide attempt during gender
transition, while rates of suicide attempts decrease
after gender transition (Whittle et al., 2007; DeCuypere
et al., 2006

There is also a good summary of the effects of gender reassignment on the happiness of individuals in this journal, which states the following. (Page 229 onwards)

In 1981, Pauly published results from a large
retrospective study of people who had undergone
sex reassignment surgery. Participants in that
study had much better outcomes: Among 83
FtM patients, 80.7% had a satisfactory outcome
(i.e., patient self report of “improved social
and emotional adjustment”), 6.0% unsatisfactory.
Among 283 MtF patients, 71.4% had a
satisfactory outcome, 8.1% unsatisfactory. This
study included patients who were treated before
the publication and use of the Standards of Care.
Since the Standards of Care have been in
place, there has been a steady increase in patient
satisfaction and decrease in dissatisfaction
with the outcome of sex reassignment surgery.

The vast majority
of follow-up studies have shown an undeniable
beneficial effect of sex reassignment surgery
on postoperative outcomes such as subjective
well being, cosmesis, and sexual function (De
Cuypere et al., 2005; Garaffa, Christopher, &
Ralph, 2010; Klein & Gorzalka, 2009), although
the specific magnitude of benefit is uncertain
from the currently available evidence. One study
(Emory, Cole, Avery, Meyer, & Meyer, 2003)
even showed improvement in patient income


Favorable effects of therapies
that included both hormones and surgery were
reported in a comprehensive review of over 2000
patients in 79 studies (mostly observational)
conducted between 1961 and 1991 (Eldh, Berg,
& Gustafsson, 1997; Gijs & Brewaeys, 2007;
Murad et al., 2010; Pfafflin & Junge, 1998). ¨
Patients operated on after 1986 did better than
those before 1986; this reflects significant improvement
in surgical complications (Eldh et al.,
1997). Most patients have reported improved
psychosocial outcomes, ranging between 87%
for MtF patients and 97% for FtM patients
(Green & Fleming, 1990). Similar improvements
were found in a Swedish study in which
“almost all patients were satisfied with sex
reassignment at 5 years, and 86% were assessed
by clinicians at follow-up as stable or improved
in global functioning” (Johansson, Sundbom,
Hojerback, & Bodlund, 2010). Weaknesses of ¨
these earlier studies are their retrospective design
and use of different criteria to evaluate
outcomes.
A prospective study conducted in the Netherlands
evaluated 325 consecutive adult and
adolescent subjects seeking sex reassignment
(Smith, Van Goozen, Kuiper, & Cohen-Kettenis,
2005). Patients who underwent sex reassignment
therapy (both hormonal and surgical intervention)
showed improvements in their mean gender
dysphoria scores, measured by the Utrecht Gender
Dysphoria Scale. Scores for body dissatisfaction
and psychological function also improved
in most categories. Fewer than 2% of patients
expressed regret after therapy. This is the largest
prospective study to affirm the results from retrospective
studies that a combination of hormone
therapy and surgery improves gender dysphoria
and other areas of psychosocial functioning.


http://www.wpath.org/uploaded_files/...0SOC,%20V7.pdf

I concede that I was mistaken in using the word "extensive", however the general consensus does seem that gender reassignment surgery is the best option we have at the moment for the happiness of transgender individuals. There is also some conflicting evidence so it's not as cut and dry an issue (I had the impression it was) so thanks for making me look it up again.

These are not happy people any way you put. This is how a trans happiness study is conducted. They start out with 1000 individuals, 5 years later only roughly 400 report on how they feel, because the other 600 are either dead, or don't ever respond.

You can jump hoops and delusion yourself anyway you want, but you're out of your mind if you think I'll ever believe that this guy in the video is a 6 year old girl, or that I should somehow accept this behavior as normal. You can play along with him, but I'll pass.