OFFICIAL: Donald Trump thread.

[Don Pichardo]

Public opinion is irrelevant. I don't know if these people are lying or not, neither do you.

What exactly is this "credible evidence" anyway? The persons word?

In our criminal justice system someone’s word alone gets people convicted daily.

If trier of fact believes it that all it takes.

[denium]

In our criminal justice system someone’s word alone gets people convicted daily.

Examples???

[Don Pichardo]

Examples???

Many rape or molest cases hang on victims statement that the alleged perpetrator did it.

These cases there are rarely a witness. In rape cases a common defense is consent. He word vs hers.

All sex cases are extremely tough.

[The Big Dunn]

Tucker telling it how it is, as usual.

Voting should be made as easy as possible for all eligible voters. No reason to have laws in place that suppress voting in minority and poor communities.

[The Big Dunn]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...une/761478002/

June jobs report: U.S. economy adds 213,000 jobs but unemployment rises to 4%.

Pruitt resignation overshadowed this.

[The Big Dunn]

I hear you, difficult situation. I need to read about it some more. A guy who grew up on the estate next to me was a teacher, a girl made an accusation about him, complete bull**** but it took him years to clear his name, and it lost him his marriage. Perhaps i'm biased.

More details in article below.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...dal/762219002/

A very serious news story has developed over the past few days at Ohio State. Former athletes from 14 sports, including the wrestling team, have reported sexual abuse by former team doctor Richard Strauss, who died in 2005.

In a stunning twist to the story, five former wrestlers have told NBC News and The Wall Street Journal that powerful Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who was Ohio State’s assistant wrestling coach from 1986-94, knew Strauss was molesting student-athletes and failed to do anything to stop him. Jordan has denied those allegations.

Nearly seven years after the Jerry Sandusky horrors at Penn State first made headlines, and almost two years after the USA Gymnastics and Michigan State story broke, the nation is standing at the doorstep of what is alleged to be another American cultural nightmare at another Big Ten school.

If we’ve learned anything from the horrible scandals at Penn State and USA Gymnastics and Michigan State, it is that we should encourage every effort be made to investigate every former student-athlete’s accusation thoroughly and without bias or distraction, for as long as it takes, wherever it might lead. No one should interfere with something so important as keeping our nation’s children and students safe from sexual predators, and bringing those who failed to protect our children and students to justice.

No one should get in the way, not even the President of the United States.

But speaking to reporters Thursday on Air Force One, Donald Trump did just that. Asked about the serious accusations being made against Jordan, Trump said:


“I don’t believe them at all. I believe him. Jim Jordan is one of the most outstanding people I’ve met since I’ve been in Washington. I believe him 100 percent. No question in my mind. I believe Jim Jordan 100 percent. He’s an outstanding man.”

While it comes as absolutely no surprise that Trump is standing by a political ally, it is reprehensible that he chose to say those words at this time in the midst of another of our nation’s college sex abuse scandals. Obviously, Trump has no idea if Jordan was told about the alleged molestation or not. The only people who know are the student-athletes, perhaps their friends and families, and Jordan and perhaps his friends and family.

Nonetheless, the president took one look at the most serious of American college sports scandals and turned it into political theater. What a disservice this is to Ohio State’s investigation, and to the five men who had the courage to come forward with their allegations against not only Strauss, but also their former assistant coach who now happens to be one of the most powerful men in the nation.

Now that you’ve heard from Trump, listen to two of the former wrestlers.

Shawn Dailey, 43, told NBC News on Thursday that he was groped half a dozen times by Strauss in the mid-1990s.

“I participated with Jimmy (Jordan) and the other wrestlers in locker room talk about Strauss,” Dailey said. “We all did. It was very common knowledge in the locker room that if you went to Dr. Strauss for anything, you would have to pull your pants down.”

Dailey, who called Jordan “a close friend,” said he is a Republican and contributed to Jordan’s first political campaign for state representative in 1994.

“What happened drove me out of the sport," Dailey said. “So I was surprised to hear Jim say that he knew nothing about it. Jimmy’s a good guy, but to say that he had no knowledge of it, I would say that’s kind of hurtful.”

And Mark Coleman, another former Ohio State wrestler and a former UFC world champion, told The Wall Street Journal that Jordan was aware of the abuse and did not take action.

“There’s no way unless he’s got dementia or something that he’s got no recollection of what was going on at Ohio State,” said Coleman, who said he was Jordan’s roommate on several competition trips.

Jordan and those who support him in the political realm are already crying conspiracy, that it’s some kind of political plot. A storyline like that plays well with Trump, obviously.

The stakes could not be higher for Jordan. He must know that everyone at Penn State, USA Gymnastics and Michigan State who failed to act, or looked away, and then lied about it, lost their jobs, their reputations, basically everything.

That’s what Trump is worried about. But Trump can’t save Jordan. After Penn State, and after USA Gymnastics and Michigan State, we can be certain of this:

If Jordan is found to have known about the alleged sexual abuse at Ohio State and done nothing, he will not survive.

[Santa_]

NY Daily News mocks Trump as a 'clown' on Independence Day.





One of President Trump’s hometown papers mocked him on Independence Day by depicting him as a clown.

The New York Daily News’s July 4 cover features an edited image showing the president in full clown makeup, wearing a shattered gold crown.

“The clown who plays king can’t overthrow the bedrock values this nation was founded on 242 years ago today,” the headline reads.

The New York Daily News has been highly critical of Trump throughout his presidency and often uses their front page to mock the president over scandals.

Just last week, the paper proclaimed “We are f-----” following the announcement that Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy would retire.

Trump finds himself in the midst of several scandals this July 4, including his administration’s handling of immigrant families at the border, continued reported ethics violations by Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt and intensifying tariff battles with key U.S. allies.


http://thehill.com/homenews/media/39...dependence-day

[GrandmasterWang]

More details in article below.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...dal/762219002/

A very serious news story has developed over the past few days at Ohio State. Former athletes from 14 sports, including the wrestling team, have reported sexual abuse by former team doctor Richard Strauss, who died in 2005.

In a stunning twist to the story, five former wrestlers have told NBC News and The Wall Street Journal that powerful Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who was Ohio State’s assistant wrestling coach from 1986-94, knew Strauss was molesting student-athletes and failed to do anything to stop him. Jordan has denied those allegations.

Nearly seven years after the Jerry Sandusky horrors at Penn State first made headlines, and almost two years after the USA Gymnastics and Michigan State story broke, the nation is standing at the doorstep of what is alleged to be another American cultural nightmare at another Big Ten school.

If we’ve learned anything from the horrible scandals at Penn State and USA Gymnastics and Michigan State, it is that we should encourage every effort be made to investigate every former student-athlete’s accusation thoroughly and without bias or distraction, for as long as it takes, wherever it might lead. No one should interfere with something so important as keeping our nation’s children and students safe from sexual predators, and bringing those who failed to protect our children and students to justice.

No one should get in the way, not even the President of the United States.

But speaking to reporters Thursday on Air Force One, Donald Trump did just that. Asked about the serious accusations being made against Jordan, Trump said:


“I don’t believe them at all. I believe him. Jim Jordan is one of the most outstanding people I’ve met since I’ve been in Washington. I believe him 100 percent. No question in my mind. I believe Jim Jordan 100 percent. He’s an outstanding man.”

While it comes as absolutely no surprise that Trump is standing by a political ally, it is reprehensible that he chose to say those words at this time in the midst of another of our nation’s college sex abuse scandals. Obviously, Trump has no idea if Jordan was told about the alleged molestation or not. The only people who know are the student-athletes, perhaps their friends and families, and Jordan and perhaps his friends and family.

Nonetheless, the president took one look at the most serious of American college sports scandals and turned it into political theater. What a disservice this is to Ohio State’s investigation, and to the five men who had the courage to come forward with their allegations against not only Strauss, but also their former assistant coach who now happens to be one of the most powerful men in the nation.

Now that you’ve heard from Trump, listen to two of the former wrestlers.

Shawn Dailey, 43, told NBC News on Thursday that he was groped half a dozen times by Strauss in the mid-1990s.

“I participated with Jimmy (Jordan) and the other wrestlers in locker room talk about Strauss,” Dailey said. “We all did. It was very common knowledge in the locker room that if you went to Dr. Strauss for anything, you would have to pull your pants down.”

Dailey, who called Jordan “a close friend,” said he is a Republican and contributed to Jordan’s first political campaign for state representative in 1994.

“What happened drove me out of the sport," Dailey said. “So I was surprised to hear Jim say that he knew nothing about it. Jimmy’s a good guy, but to say that he had no knowledge of it, I would say that’s kind of hurtful.”

And Mark Coleman, another former Ohio State wrestler and a former UFC world champion, told The Wall Street Journal that Jordan was aware of the abuse and did not take action.

“There’s no way unless he’s got dementia or something that he’s got no recollection of what was going on at Ohio State,” said Coleman, who said he was Jordan’s roommate on several competition trips.

Jordan and those who support him in the political realm are already crying conspiracy, that it’s some kind of political plot. A storyline like that plays well with Trump, obviously.

The stakes could not be higher for Jordan. He must know that everyone at Penn State, USA Gymnastics and Michigan State who failed to act, or looked away, and then lied about it, lost their jobs, their reputations, basically everything.

That’s what Trump is worried about. But Trump can’t save Jordan. After Penn State, and after USA Gymnastics and Michigan State, we can be certain of this:

If Jordan is found to have known about the alleged sexual abuse at Ohio State and done nothing, he will not survive.

Well hell, Mark Coleman has spoken out, I have no reason not to believe him. Surprised to read "The Hammer" weighing in.

That said, Jordan himself isn't in the article you posted accused of any sexual abuse himself. That's far different from him actually potentially being a pedophile himself.

It's a possibility that Jordan thought the guy was a bit "suspect" and "dodgy" but had no real idea how bad he was. People didn't know as much back then about such sexual deviancy.

[The Big Dunn]

Well hell, Mark Coleman has spoken out, I have no reason not to believe him. Surprised to read "The Hammer" weighing in.

That said, Jordan himself isn't in the article you posted accused of any sexual abuse himself. That's far different from him actually potentially being a pedophile himself.

It's a possibility that Jordan thought the guy was a bit "suspect" and "dodgy" but had no real idea how bad he was. People didn't know as much back then about such sexual deviancy.

I have been careful to say both pedophiles and those that knowingly hide that beahvior. Jim is not a pedophile but it's clear he was made aware and did nothing about it.

The cover up is always worse than the crime. He isn't Sandusky but he is Paterno.

[TysonFuryTBE]

I'm ready to protest for when this disgrace of a man enters my country England.