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  • Originally posted by GGG Gloveking View Post
    When I read things like, "Clinton was able to hold on to the deal...Despite Republican efforts" and "But after Bush took office, the deal began to crumble", it does sound a lot like my paraphrased version.
    They repeat the talking points so many times, they forget what the talking points are actually saying!

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    • Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
      They repeat the talking points so many times, they forget what the talking points are actually saying!
      This is why I always like to text my son's mother. When she says, I never said that, a simple screenshot proves her wrong

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      • Originally posted by lex_fugitive View Post
        This is from Bruce Bartlett, Reagan's economic advisor.
        So we have to stop here.

        Are you saying this is not the Romer-Bernstein chart (or not an accurate representation of)?

        If it's not, I'll get the correct one.

        Or you can concede that claim Obama saved the economy (or whatever of the like you said), and we can move on to the rest.

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        • Following the tax cuts in 1981, and again in 1986, economic growth DECLINED. When Clinton raised taxes on the rich, the economy was the strongest it has been in recent memory. When Bush slashed taxes and regulations in 2001, 2003, and 2004 it produced the slowest economic growth in this country's history. When Obama raised taxes on the rich with Obamacare, the economy kept growing, kept adding jobs. When Obama raised taxes again in 2014 on the rich, the economy has continued to grow.

          Literally, every time we have slashed taxes, it has slowed economic growth.

          From 1944 to 1964 the federal income tax rate for the top bracket was over 90%. From 1965 to 1982 this rate was 70% (tax foundation). From 1942 to 1974 the corporate tax rate was at least 48% for all profits over $25,000 in a year (tax foundation).

          The period from 1945 to the early 1970’s is known as “The Golden Age of Capitalism.” Richard Reich describes this period in his book “Supercapitalism”:

          “Roughly between 1945 and 1975, America struck a remarkable accommodation between capitalism and democracy. It combined a hugely productive economic system with a broadly responsive and widely admired political system. America in those years achieved its highest degree of income equality (since measurements have been available). It generated a larger proportion of good-paying jobs than before or since, and more economic security than ever for more of its people. Perhaps not coincidentally, in those years Americans also expressed high confidence in democracy and trust in government, both of which sharply declined in subsequent years.”

          http://www.npr.org/2007/10/02/148487...upercapitalism
          http://taxfoundation.org/article/fed...ears-1909-2012
          http://taxfoundation.org/sites/defau...ry_nominal.pdf

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          • Originally posted by GGG Gloveking View Post
            This is why I always like to text my son's mother. When she says, I never said that, a simple screenshot proves her wrong
            She has a motive though. She does it to deceive you, (a parent sharing custody), right?

            These knuckleheads do it to 'win' Internet arguments.

            Big difference.

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            • Originally posted by lex_fugitive View Post
              Following the tax cuts in 1981, and again in 1986, economic growth DECLINED. When Clinton raised taxes on the rich, the economy was the strongest it has been in recent memory. When Bush slashed taxes and regulations in 2001, 2003, and 2004 it produced the slowest economic growth in this country's history. When Obama raised taxes on the rich with Obamacare, the economy kept growing, kept adding jobs. When Obama raised taxes again in 2014 on the rich, the economy has continued to grow.

              Literally, every time we have slashed taxes, it has slowed economic growth.
              Let's stop right here, because you are either being intellectually dishonest (by omission) or you're repeating talking points that are cherry-picked.

              You left out the Clinton Cap Gain tax cuts. You know, those tax cuts for "the rich" as the rich own a lion's share of the stocks.

              You not only left those out, you left out the fact that they spurred economic growth to higher levels after their passage than after the Clinton tax increases.

              Can you please address that crucial part you left out?

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              • Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
                She has a motive though. She does it to deceive you, (a parent sharing custody), right?

                These knuckleheads do it to 'win' Internet arguments.

                Big difference.
                I have full custody. Her wanting to call the police on me one night making up a lie backfired on her. She was drunk when the cops showed up and they took him from her.

                But you do have a point. She does have better motivation than simply a web forum debate

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                • Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
                  So we have to stop here.

                  Are you saying this is not the Romer-Bernstein chart (or not an accurate representation of)?

                  If it's not, I'll get the correct one.

                  Or you can concede that claim Obama saved the economy (or whatever of the like you said), and we can move on to the rest.
                  I'm talking about taxes, idiot. Every time we raise taxes, growth has slowed. When we have raised taxes on the rich, the economy has grown.

                  I am saying following the Bush tax cuts, followed the slowest economic growth in this country's history.

                  BUT I'M STILL WAITING TO HEAR WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN TO KEEP IRAN FROM DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS IS TOO

                  I get it, when presented with FACTS want to end it. Talk facts idiot.

                  Look up income growth since 1980. The bottom 80 percent is the same with inflation taken into account. The top 1 percent have seen a roughly 300 percent gain in their income. That is what tax cuts for the rich, and less regulations have produced.

                  But I get it, you can not handle facts, so you just ignore them.

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                  • Originally posted by GGG Gloveking View Post
                    Where's your gif of Obama saying he'll have more leverage after the election?


                    This one ???

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                    • Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
                      Let's stop right here, because you are either being intellectually dishonest (by omission) or you're repeating talking points that are cherry-picked.

                      You left out the Clinton Cap Gain tax cuts. You know, those tax cuts for "the rich" as the rich own a lion's share of the stocks.

                      You not only left those out, you left out the fact that they spurred economic growth to higher levels after their passage than after the Clinton tax increases.

                      Can you please address that crucial part you left out?
                      From 1944 to 1964 the federal income tax rate for the top bracket was over 90%. From 1965 to 1982 this rate was 70% (tax foundation).

                      From 1942 to 1974 the corporate tax rate was at least 48% for all profits over $25,000 in a year (tax foundation).

                      The period from 1945 to the early 1970’s is known as “The Golden Age of Capitalism.” Richard Reich describes this period in his book “Supercapitalism”:
                      “Roughly between 1945 and 1975, America struck a remarkable accommodation between capitalism and democracy. It combined a hugely productive economic system with a broadly responsive and widely admired political system. America in those years achieved its highest degree of income equality (since measurements have been available). It generated a larger proportion of good-paying jobs than before or since, and more economic security than ever for more of its people. Perhaps not coincidentally, in those years Americans also expressed high confidence in democracy and trust in government, both of which sharply declined in subsequent years.”


                      http://www.npr.org/2007/10/02/148487...upercapitalism

                      http://taxfoundation.org/article/fed...ears-1909-2012

                      http://taxfoundation.org/sites/defau...ry_nominal.pdf

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