Cliven Bundy. Champion of Fox News. Sean Hannity's bestest friend...

[ИATAS]

So you are against having National Parks?

They should be owned privately, like by Pepsi-Cola and Comcast.

[One_Tycoon]

So you are against having National Parks?

Didn't they "shut down" the national parks when the Debt ceiling couldn't be raised...just to drive the point home that "our land" needs borrowed money to keep it operating.

My more moderate stance is that of the "Fabian Society" except in reverse towards less govt and more capitalism. Which means...lets start with national parks falling under the States jurisdiction in a 10th Amendment-ish kind of way. Not the federal govt. And then lets gradually works towards privatization. Certainly....there is enough demand for national parks to give private investors, businessmen incentive to keep it going. And they would probably do a better and more efficient job at it than Govt and it's wasteful politicians.

[Jim Jeffries]

[Da Machine]

Didn't they "shut down" the national parks when the Debt ceiling couldn't be raised...just to drive the point home that "our land" needs borrowed money to keep it operating.

My more moderate stance is that of the "Fabian Society" except in reverse towards less govt and more capitalism. Which means...lets start with national parks falling under the States jurisdiction in a 10th Amendment-ish kind of way. Not the federal govt. And then lets gradually works towards privatization. Certainly....there is enough demand for national parks to give private investors, businessmen incentive to keep it going. And they would probably do a better and more efficient job at it than Govt and it's wasteful politicians.

I just could never believe anyone would think this is a good idea.

Basically what you are saying is lets limit access to all national parks (although technically wouldnt be national parks anymore). Then if the national parks go, most public land would follow. So basically unless you are rich you are contained to your half acre lot in suburbia.

National Parks aren't profiting. So to think privatizing them would do anything other then limit access is hilarious to me. Hunting, fishing, hiking, any recreation would essentially turn into a rich only , pay to play type thing.

Right now you can damn there drive from Mexico to Canada on public lands. Ever hear of the PCT? The CDT? Those would be gone. Ever go to southern Arizona? You can drive atv's,motorcycles, etc all over the desert wherever the **** you want. I suppose we should just let the welfare ranchers take all that land and say **** everyone else.

[squealpiggy]

I'm not sure if this quote is attributed correctly or not. But it's wrong. The final solution was illegal. Kristalnacht was illegal. The Reichstag arson was illegal. The invasion of Poland was illegal (invoking the treaty signed with Poland by Britain and France and sparking WWII). Hitler did plenty of things that were illegal.

In the absence of any commentary from you it looks like you are suggesting that Cliven Bundy is not racist.

"I think black people were better off when they were property, but that's not dumb racism because here I am next to a black guy".

[GoldenGloveLove]

Could not have been any better if Stephen Colbert hired this idiot and gave him a script to follow as Fox bait.

[Da Machine]

I'm glad something like this came out, because this shows the kind of unintelligent arrogance you are dealing with. That's how a lot of these far off rural ranchers are. They are the most entitled people I have ever encountered.

[Jim Jeffries]

In the absence of any commentary from you it looks like you are suggesting that Cliven Bundy is not racist.

In the absence of any commentary by anyone who has taken 5 minutes to educate themselves on the facts of the case, or 3 minutes to watch the unedited video of this moron attempting to use hyperbole (and blinded by his irrational hatred of the Federal government) to convey a point. Well I thought I'd put up some more videos (one that tries to explain that same point) they wouldn't watch and a cute picture they could look at in lieu of a 50 sec video.

It is shocking to hear someone in this day and age still use the word negro.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid apologized on Saturday for saying the race of Barack Obama ; whom he described as a "light skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one"; would help rather than hurt his eventual presidential bid.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_417406.html

Maybe it's just an old, white, Nevada Mormon thing. Whether Bundy may or may not be a racist really isn't relevant to the BLM revoking his long held grazing rights (like they have every other rancher in the area,) so that they could charge him a million dollars in penalties (he hasn't owed grazing fees for 20 years) and then seize his entire herd. But I suppose it's a nice little distraction.

[One_Tycoon]

I just could never believe anyone would think this is a good idea.

Basically what you are saying is lets limit access to all national parks

Of course that's not what I'm saying. You are making an argument from ignorance because you haven't seen a world without Govt funding National Parks...therefore it seems unfathomable. Of course national parks aren't profiting because they aren't structured that way with the govt being the majority funder [with borrowed money].

As i said...we wouldn't privatize it right away in one fell swoop. We would do it like the 'Fabian society' who have given up on implementing socialism all at once but through gradualist and reformist means [Ex: lets not try to force single payer down everyone's throats just yet. Lets go with Obamacare first where everyone is mandated to purchase private insurance. Meanwhile we can sneak in a little taste of single payer by expending free 'Medicaid' to the poor. Then later we go for the whole nine yards].

First you give the national parks to the states rather than the Federal Govt. Then you can have more and more private-public partnerships [since leftists and soft conservatives tend to like that sort of thing] and then you completely phase out the public funding and privatize it. If we listened to your fallacious argument then nothing that anybody likes doing would be private, but funded by govt....since they seem to be doing such a great job and all.

[takingaim]

takingham you don't take **** to the cleaners. You are a long line of fools I have schooled in this place and nothing more.

I am currently in the process of giving you a damn good thrashing in not just one, but two separate threads. Do you really want to make it three?

2, you don't even stick to the argument. Like the fat debate we had, I'm saying one thing, and you are all over the place making strawmen arguments trying to make your point, which is no point at all.

LMAO!!! The complete opposite is true. It is you who responds with strawman arguments. I annihilated you in the fat thread. Other posters recognized it & pointed it out, hence your butthurt to the point you mention it in THIS thread too.

I've had such a devastating effect on you, you've even started copying my phrasing e.g. "you are all over the place", as I pointed out in the fat thread that you were "floundering all over the place". This is hilarious.

This is a classic example of it. The reason I gave you red K is because you brought up something THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE MAN SAID ON THE FUKIN VIDEO.

The man in the video mentioned the black family, so I made a point that is certainly connected to it.

That's your style though, to argue about something that has nothing to do with the point of the thread. Sweet Pea beat me to the point I was going to make.

What that idiot said in the video, has nothing to do with what you posted.

I'm sure you will respond and make up some other **** that wasn't said though. I can't wait to read it.

Oh what a beautiful meltdown.

As you were.