The end of the Republican party?

[Canelo Phresh]

Jeffries, I'm sorry if this is offensive but that's because most people that vote republican and aren't wealthy, vote against their own interest. Whether it be for fiscal reasons or social issues, republicans are far behind.


While I never agree with DICK Morris, he was dead on in what he said on O'Reilly last night and that was that the election in 08' was not a one time thing, it was a trend. The country has changed, it's not just conservative, white male anymore. People aren't swinging to the right, they are becoming more moderate and liberal in their thinking.

If you polled most conservatives about giving some taxes for free heathcare for people who need it, they would overwhelmingly say no but you ask the same people if they would give a little more to increase military spending, and they would happily do it.

Why? When the majority of the country doesn't want war, yet you ask those people and they are ready to bomb Iran tomorrow.

People vote against their best interest both ways, but I find it to be much more prevalent in the republican party. People think Christianity is being attacked, guns are being taken away, the military is weaker than it's ever been and NONE of those things are true and Obama hasn't changed a fukin thing.

You talk about clueless, I can't find more clueless people than people who support the tea party.

Thats not true at all. I make 40 thousand a year and the government wont help me at all. I cant get health care for my newborn right now Ive applied 3 times for welfare health benifits for my son and was told everyI make to much money. On top of that Im supporting my wife, son, and my dad. All on my income alone. Its bull****. I cant get medical for my son. You know what those idiots at welfare told me, take my mom in and then maybe they can help me. You know what that is? Taking away the fighting spirit of an individual. I ****ing hate how expensive healthcare is but bamacare is only raising rates. I had a major hand injury at work my surgeon complains abot it al the time. My uncles a doctor he says the same damn thing. Bamacare doesnt work. Yes we need to bring the greedy insurance providers to their knees and make them compete for our business not the other way around but obama does not work. ANd by the way I voted for that loser in 08 and hes done ****all, hes continued all of bushs policies that I hated, war with the middle east, continued occupation of afganistan, drone attacks with colateral damage instead of torture? More dumb**** stimulus. He takes his orders from banks the same as Bush did. Hes a horrible president and Im not rich you *******.

[Jim Jeffries]

Jeffries, I'm sorry if this is offensive

I really don't think you are. All you ever do is try to rally the loony left portion of your base that seems to have taken over and alienated moderates like Artur Davis.

but that's because most people that vote republican and aren't wealthy, vote against their own interest.

You might want to explain this position.

Whether it be for fiscal reasons

Or this one.

or social issues, republicans are far behind.

Behind what?

While I never agree with DICK Morris, he was dead on in what he said on O'Reilly last night and that was that the election in 08' was not a one time thing, it was a trend.

The same (Bill Clinton) Dick Morris that predicted a Romney landslide victory?

The country has changed, it's not just conservative, white male anymore. People aren't swinging to the right, they are becoming more moderate and liberal in their thinking.

I find it disgusting that you always make everything about race.

Why? When the majority of the country doesn't want war, yet you ask those people and they are ready to bomb Iran tomorrow.

I don't know anyone that wants to bomb Iran tomorrow, including myself.

You talk about clueless, I can't find more clueless people than people who support the tea party.

Funny how all of your political posts contain attacks on Bush, Republicans, the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sarah Palin, etc, but never an admission of your party's culpability in the mess we're in.

Even after the election is over, you still can't bring yourself to have a normal, adult conversation about politics. Sad really.

[The Hoff]

I seriously doubt it. He'll definitely run, but I don't see him even getting the nomination, let alone the Presidency.

I don't even think he'll end up getting much support from the Latino community because he's Cuban, and there's a vast disconnect between Cubans, and Mexicans, who easily make up the largest percentage of Latino voters in the United States.

On topic : The Rpublican party needs to re-evaluate itself and move more towards the center. They've allowed a fringe group of extremists to hijack their party and continuing to pander towards that very vocal but numerically insignificant minority of the voting block has been costing them dearly the past few years.

Moderate Republicans feel as if their party has abandoned them.

This right here.

Cubans and Mexicans don't really funk with one another. Sure, there are a few, but the majority don't.
I have a few family members who reside in FL. They tell me Cubans don't like Mexicans much. That Cubans try to be/act too white. Just because Rubio is Hispanic, that doesn't mean he will get the Hispanic vote. Hispanics usually side with Democrats... And I'm one of them.

Viva Obama!

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Thats not true at all. I make 40 thousand a year and the government wont help me at all. I cant get health care for my newborn right now Ive applied 3 times for welfare health benifits for my son and was told everyI make to much money. On top of that Im supporting my wife, son, and my dad. All on my income alone. Its bull****. I cant get medical for my son. You know what those idiots at welfare told me, take my mom in and then maybe they can help me. You know what that is? Taking away the fighting spirit of an individual. I ****ing hate how expensive healthcare is but bamacare is only raising rates. I had a major hand injury at work my surgeon complains abot it al the time. My uncles a doctor he says the same damn thing. Bamacare doesnt work. Yes we need to bring the greedy insurance providers to their knees and make them compete for our business not the other way around but obama does not work. ANd by the way I voted for that loser in 08 and hes done ****all, hes continued all of bushs policies that I hated, war with the middle east, continued occupation of afganistan, drone attacks with colateral damage instead of torture? More dumb**** stimulus. He takes his orders from banks the same as Bush did. Hes a horrible president and Im not rich you *******.

On one hand you say we need to stop the insurance companies from controlling our healthcare, I agree. Then you condemn what Obama has tried to do by changing that. I see this much to often, complaints but no answers. We need to do something because as it is, without Obamacare, we are going broke because of it and over 30 million are without it.

[QUOTE]

I really don't think you are. All you ever do is try to rally the loony left portion of your base that seems to have taken over and alienated moderates like Artur Davis.

Loony? Hmmm. funny how you throw that word around, yet look at all the loony crap that came out of the mouth of your party. Funny how you point fingers at everyone else and you don't look in the mirror. I guess if you are conservative you are right, if you vote for Obama you just want "free stuff" like your hero O'Reilly said on election night.

You might want to explain this position.

Tax breaks for the rich, oil companies, people making over 250K a year, fend for yourself heathcare policies, defunding planned parenthood which contrary to popular belief isn't all about free abortions for everyone.

Behind what?

Immigration, women's rights, gay rights, abortion.....should I go on?

The same (Bill Clinton) Dick Morris that predicted a Romney landslide victory?

That's why I said I never agree with him, but he was right about that.

I find it disgusting that you always make everything about race.

So now I can't mention race at all without being racist? Yea I'm sure you are so offended..Yup let's ignore the obvious, that will solve it.

I don't know anyone that wants to bomb Iran tomorrow, including myself.

Romney was talking a big game and his rhetoric was much stronger than Obama's that's for sure. I have heard plenty of people wanting to bomb IRan, Iraq, all Muslims, Kenya....then again most American's don't know where those places are on a map.

Funny how all of your political posts contain attacks on Bush, Republicans, the Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sarah Palin, etc, but never an admission of your party's culpability in the mess we're in.

Then your not reading my posts. I also don't have a party, registered independent. MSNBC is as biased as Foxnews, just has a lot less viewers.

Even after the election is over, you still can't bring yourself to have a normal, adult conversation about politics. Sad really.

Yea because you are the voice of reason around here. See, I can do these one sentence responses as well that lead to nowhere.

[~AK49~]

Because economically, while foxnews has brainwashed Americans into thinking that Obama is a Socialist and a Muslim, the truth is he's far, far from that. He is a Democratic president that basically wants to return to the fiscal policies of Clinton, that's it.

To return to clintons policies at this current moment would be disastrous. Clinton had the benefit of enacting his policies when there alwas a huge boom going on, the dot com boom. Regardless of who was in office, the boom itself was creating millions of jobs, and alot of money was flying around. The bulk of his success lies in the boom, not his policies. He just created policies at the right time. He also made some important legislature changes to things such as the community reinvestment act, which helped get us jnto our current position. The market was inflated, and it finally popped. To blame it all on bush is misinformed and political b.s.. also, lets not forget that the market had already been showing signs of growth for 4 straight quarters before clinton even took office.

But yeah, with all that said, id rather have clinton in office than obama. Obama just....doesnt know wtf he is doing.

Bush ruined this economy, now I know people will say that's a tired song but it's 100% true. Not because I say so, but because of the countless economists that predicted it would take a DECADE to fix what Bush did. He started 2 wars, doubled the deficit, de-regulated Wall Street which caused the mortgage bubble and was losing over 100 jobs a month in


Obama or McCain was going to have to take a giant bite of a **** sandwich. Every economists I read said the bailout was absolutely necessary to stop the bleeding, Bush passed the first stimulus by the way...

So while there are people who want "free stuff". That's not the majority of people who voted for Obama, that's simply a lie. The truth is (and the point of this thread) is that the country is moving more towards a progressive mindset, gone are the days of conservative thinking where people are excluded from politics and decision making in this country.

Look at the difference in the Republican convention and the democratic one. The democrats where diverse, the republicans was a sea of white people, sorry but that's not America any longer.

Republicans as we knew them might be at and end, because they lost every demographic except for old white people. That's not a good sign for them and they need to be inclusive in order to turn things around.

Everyone wants to work, everyone wants a better economy and nobody wants to pay for others to live free. What we do want is people who don't have because of who and where they were born, to have an equal chance.

All of the major cities, most populated areas, more college educated areas were blue. The rural, country, suburban areas were almost all red. Don't tell me who is stupid and who isn't....There's a ton of ignorant, dumb Americans that vote white and republican because it's what they are supposed to do.

Aside from your bush rant, which i largely disagree with (shoveling all the blame on him), by and large i agree with your rant against the republican party. They do alienate too many people, and as i suggested they are gonna have to bend on their social values if they want black/latino/gay/etc votes. As far as fiscally tho, conservatism>liberalism.

[Canelo Phresh]

On one hand you say we need to stop the insurance companies from controlling our healthcare, I agree. Then you condemn what Obama has tried to do by changing that. I see this much to often, complaints but no answers. We need to do something because as it is, without Obamacare, we are going broke because of it and over 30 million are without it.

Obama raises the prices of every instrument and every procedure. All Obama care did was not allow service to be denied which is good but he didnt do anything to cap prices. Now that they have to do every procedure they just raise the prices of everything dramatically. Ask your family practice doctor his or her opinion of it. It wont be good.

[Canelo Phresh]

To return to clintons policies at this current moment would be disastrous. Clinton had the benefit of enacting his policies when there alwas a huge boom going on, the dot com boom. Regardless of who was in office, the boom itself was creating millions of jobs, and alot of money was flying around. The bupk of his success lies in the boom, not his policies. He just created policies at the right time. He also made some important legislature changes to things such as the community reinvestment act, which helped get us jnto our current position. The market was inflated, and it finally popped. To blame it all on bush is misinformed and political b.s.. also, lets not forget that the mariet had already been showing signs of growth for 4 straight quarters before clinton even took office.

But yeah, with all that said, id rather have clinton in office than obama. Obama just....doesnt know wtf he is doing.



Aside from your bush rant, which i largely disagree with (shoveling all the blame on him), by and large i agree with your rant against the republican party. They do alienate too many people, and as i suggested they are gonna have to bend on their social values if they want black/latino/gay/etc votes. As far as fiscally tho, conservatism>liberalism.

Exactly this.

[Jim Jeffries]

Loony? Hmmm. funny how you throw that word around, yet look at all the loony crap that came out of the mouth of your party.

Conservatives are individuals. Some of them are stupid, some of them say stupid things. Believe it or not, I am not responsible for everything every Republican has ever said.

Funny how you point fingers at everyone else and you don't look in the mirror.

I have simply tried (unsuccessfully) to get you to admit your party's responsibility in the recent recession.

I guess if you are conservative you are right, if you vote for Obama you just want "free stuff" like your hero O'Reilly said on election night.

One of the problems with trying to have a discussion with you is that everything goes in one ear and out the other, or you're simply unable to grasp anything through that myopic prism of yours.

Tax breaks for the rich,

As I've said many times, only 1/6 of the dreaded Bush tax cuts were for the "rich." Now explain how letting the "rich" keep more of their own money against my best interests?

oil companies,

Letting oil companies write off dry wells incentivizes them to drill more wells. More wells, more oil. More oil -> lower gas prices (which is in my best interest.)

people making over 250K a year,

Now you're repeating yourself.

fend for yourself heathcare policies,

I think the 700+ billion that the US spent on healthcare for the poor and elderly before Barry came along was quite sufficient for a country drowning in debt.

defunding planned parenthood which contrary to popular belief isn't all about free abortions for everyone.

Planned Parenthood doesn't need govt funding to survive.

Immigration,

Marco Rubio was working on immigration reform before Obama knocked his legs out from under him.

women's rights,

You mean Sandra Fluke's (future 1% er) right to free birth control?

abortion

When Obama took office, 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices were nominated by Republican. Despite Dem fear mongering every election about abortion, guess what? Abortion was still legal.

So now I can't mention race at all without being racist? Yea I'm sure you are so offended..Yup let's ignore the obvious, that will solve it.

Your party continuously uses race to divide Americans. Yes I am sick of it.

most American's don't know where those places are on a map.

Yes of course, you think most Americans ares stupid. Which is why we need Big Government to make decisions for us.

Then your not reading my posts. I also don't have a party, registered independent.

I'm not sure who you're trying to fool here, me or yourself?

Yea because you are the voice of reason around here.

I try to be, or at least add some substance to that echo chamber of yours.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

So conservatives are individuals and some say stupid things but liberals push race to divide people and can't seem to get anything right....hahaha

Hypocritical anyone?

It's ok man, I know your still angry Obama won. He will be gone in 4 years and then you will have to deal with Hilary as president.

Perception is the truth unfortunately and until the republicans can reform and quiet the extremist minorities, your party is in serious trouble.

Calling the president a Socialist, Muslim Kenyan that wasn't born in America didn't work for 4 years. Time to think up a new strategy.

[Mike Tyson77]

Marco Rubio 2016!