Don't You Fkn Hate Conspiracy Theorists...Or Are YOU One Of Them?

[UglyPug]

Conspiracy Theorists need serious medication and adult supervision. Mental institutions are full of them. But a few slip through the cracks like roaches.

They are easily ignored unless they become violent or radical.

SOme conspiracy theories hold weight. .

But at what point does it cease to be a conspiracy theory, and simply just an alternate theory of what is generally accepted?

But aye, there are some who always think conspiracy is afoot.

SOmetimes I do think you have to question things that we are told, and are supposed to accept as truth, though.

You just gotta use common sense, and discriminate accordingly.

[Mike Tyson77]

Strange days we live in.

[Drunken Cat]

Strange days we live in.

Strange days indeed.

[squealpiggy]

Explain Terry Yeakey's 'suicide'.

Never heard of him, why don't you?

I saw 3 large cargo planes flying at night together over a rural area, explain that.

Obviously it was aliens.

The real question shouldn't be "Do you hate conspiracy theorist", it should be why is there such a campaign to downplay or invalidate ideas formulated outside of the normal "BOX" of common thinking.

For anyone to DENY the existence of so-called SECRET\ELITE GROUPS, that wield political influence, financial influence and influence in medicine and agriculture, would be completely foolish and naive. And it goes to a limited and narrow way of thinking, that only accounts for the forces or en****** that can be SEEN, not for the UNSEEN.

You mean secret groups whose very existence can only be known by EVERY SINGLE PERSON WITH AN INTERNET CONNECTION?

Its like acknowledging the existence of water because one can touch, see and feel it, while at the same time denying the existence of air, because it doesn't have attributes that can be validated by sensory perception.

Really? You can't feel the air? What if it's windy?

Here's a thought: I've noticed a growing group of like-minded individuals, who almost treat any UNCOMMON thought or IDEA, that goes against the norm, as some type of conspiracy -- And those who foster these ideas, as Conspiracy Theorists.

Obviously we're just part of the conspiracy. I mean heaven forbid anyone actually thinks that these stupid notions are stupid.

If you look at the term: CONSPIRACY THEORY
a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators.
{merriam-webster.com}

The terminology itself, doesn't eliminate the possibility that unseen powerful forces exist -- Only that events, are often attributed to, or the result of their actions.

No, but the "unseen powerful forces" postulated by Conspi******s don't exist. You can tell because they have qualities that are not realistic. They are always nebulous, they are always hyper-competent and able to ascertain the future yet they are also always hyper-incompetent and never manage to actually achieve their goals.

A good example is the AIDS conspiracy theory. This holds that someone, white supremacists, "the elites", the illuminati, the jews, the lizard-people, are looking to wipe out the population of black people in Africa for reasons not made clear, by creating a super deadly virus. Which isn't that deadly and doesn't actually appear to be working considering the population growth hasn't even slowed down.

Here's my take on the topic OF "CONSPIRACY THEORISTS" and those groups that constantly campaign against THEORIES formulated outside of the box.

What harm does it do, to have THEORIES?
Why is it necessary to challenge such THEORIES?

http://whatstheharm.net/conspiracytheories.html

On this very forum we have someone who constantly talks about his guns and about how "the Government" of the US is conspiring to do many nefarious things and how he will fight back. If you can't see that this is a powder-keg then you're not looking hard enough.

I was told once by one of my Professor's,

I hope he wasn't an English professor.

that for twelve years of grade schooling and four additional years of college, we coupled with our chosen major, are being programmed how to RESPOND to AUTHORITY.

Oh I see. Now we have to take this seriously because "a professor" said it. It was an argument from authority. OK well I was talking to "a genius" recently who said that's all bunk.

Anyway did the "professor" say exactly what was wrong with schoolchildren being taught to respect authority? Do you think that society would be better off if nobody responded to authority?

When we VIEW events and or CIRCUMSTANCES differently from the NORM, and formulate IDEAS that can be considered "Outside of the box" then it should be expected, that coming from those who have accepted the PROGRAMMING through and through, to be viewed as REBELS, CONSPIRATORS and the like. The goal is to physiologically embarrass and shame those individuals back inline with the COMMON WAY OF THINKING.

You mean like RANDOMLY putting some WORDS in CAPITAL letters?

You misunderstand the problem with conspiracy thinking. It's not because their ideas are threatening to the common way of speaking. It's because they are stupid and dangerous.

It is part of the programming that many have accepted willingly and for some unwillingly. So, whenever I witness someone constantly challenging any theory that can be considered abnormal, with mundane dialog and tangential arguments, I understand that this ACT is originating from someone who is PROGRAMMED to think a certain way, to FEEL a certain way and to INTERPRET events as prescribed without question.

If you wish to challenge a theory you have to do it properly. Simply claiming that "something" is wrong about it and declaring any evidence in favour of it to be evidence of a cover-up isn't challenging anything. Theories are challenged every day, sometimes successfully. But they are challenged systematically and logically.

As an example {maybe a poor one}: When G.W.Bush made his post 9/11 address to the nation, he stated that Conspiracy Theorists would not be tolerated.

[citation needed]

This was a signal to those PROGRAMMED, to go after everyone who formulated IDEAS, that went CONTRARY to the explanation that he offered. And to this day, we have a group of individuals, WHO ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM MENTALLY, that always RISE to challenge those who would think "Outside of the box" and suggest, that something was foul about 9/11.

There is a dwindling group of internet cranks who have a bizarre notion that 9/11 was an "inside job". They tend not to actually suggest their alternate theories any more because all of them are patently ridiculous.

Its all about the mental programming for those that are of the system and lack of programming for those that think outside of the box.

No, it's all about anti-authority cranks feeling like they are cleverer than the "sheeple" because it's just about the only thing they have going for them. Conspi******s (in the West) can be broadly separated into two groups: Tin foil hatted credulous morons who like to feel like freedom fighters without actually doing anything to put themselves at risk... and the snake-oil hucksters who profit off them.

What does the Gulf of Tonkin incident have to do with a conspiracy thread? Just like 'Nayirah' and the baby incubators, It's proof the government lies to go to war.

Although... I guess you're right. They have no place in a conspiracy thread, as they are undeniable facts.

The Gulf of Tonkin only involved a conspiracy if you're a moron. The Nayirah thing is pretty obscure. I never heard of it in 1991 when the first Gulf War took place, it simply wasn't a part of the justification for war. Sounds like the sort of thing more important to conspi******s than it was to the justification for going to war.

[ZeeBrah]

Never heard of him, why don't you?

Look at the story posted a few pages ago. It explains it all. Obviously, it's coming from a biased source, but you can find the same info on unbiased sources.

But, here's the gist of it:

-Yeakey was a first responder and spent hours rescuing countless people

-His exact words when he called his wife were, “It’s not true. It’s not what they are saying. It didn’t happen that way.”

-Apparently he overheard an...interesting conversation from the ATF agents who arrived there almost immediately somehow

-NUMEROUS private investigators concluded that there were multiple bombs that went off, there were unexploded bombs being hauled away by the authorities, and the ammonium nitrate fuel oil bomb was incapable of causing that kind of devastation

-Yeakey put together a very large report that was to expose the supposed cover-up

-Yeakey was on the phone with a long-time friend, while he was checking something out in El Reno, and he said he had to shake off FBI agents chasing him

-Yeakey then committed 'suicide'

-According to the report, while still inside his Ford Probe that he had parked on a lonely country road, Yeakey slashed himself 11 times on both forearms before cutting his throat twice near the jugular vein. Then, apparently seeking an even more private place to die, he crawled 8,000 feet through rough terrain and climbed a fence before shooting himself in the head with a small caliber revolver, which he apparently took with him to the hereafter.

-Independent investigators speculated that had Yeakey shot himself with his own gun, a Glock 9mm, there would have been significantly more damage to his head than was evident.

-What appeared to be rope burns on his neck, handcuff bruises to his wrists, and muddy grass embedded in his slash wounds strongly indicated that he had some help in traversing his final distance.

-The bullet’s entrance wound was in the right temple, above the eye. It went through the policeman’s head and exited in the area of the left cheek, near the bottom of the earlobe line. The trajectory was from a 40-45 degree
angle above his head. There were no powder burns.

-According to unnamed officers, 40 or more law enforcement personnel were at the scene combing the area for the “suicide” weapon, but were unsuccessful for more than an hour, but after an FBI helicopter landed at the scene carrying FBI SAC Bob Ricks, “Yeakey’s weapon” was suddenly discovered only five minutes later. It was not his police-issued weapon, the description of the gun was never made public, and the official record immediately became a suicide.

-Tonya Yeakey, the mother of his children, later reported in a radio interview that Yeakey had shared a secret safe deposit box with Dr. Charles Chumley at one of the downtown Oklahoma City banks. Despite denials by OCPD officials, Mrs. Yeakey maintains that Yeakey and Chumley were friends even before the bombing and that they had conferred several times regarding pictures from the scene and the distorted truth of the official story. She suspects that the bank box contained incriminating pictures, but the private bank box in mention was closed and its contents emptied immediately after Yeakey’s death. Mrs. Yeakey does not know who authorized it, and whatever contents were there have never surfaced.

-Chumley had only worked side by side with Yeakey during those first hours and days of rescue, but also had defied the federal officers at the scene who reportedly attempted to have him falsify reports.

-Chumley, a private pilot, had also died mysteriously when his plane went into a nosedive from 6,000 feet into a cabbage field following a takeoff from Amarillo in August 1995. FAA investigators found “nothing mechanically
wrong” to cause such a bizarre accident and it remains a unsolved.

-Including Chumley and Yeakey, there have been more than 30 suspicious deaths of witnesses who harbored information pertinent to the truth in the OKC case.

-Although the Yeakey incident occurred 30 miles away in a different jurisdiction, the investigation was quickly taken out of the hands of the El Reno police and the Canadian County sheriff and turned over to the OCPD
and the FBI. No homicide investigation was conducted, and there was no autopsy.

-The funeral director reported that the cuts described as “superficial” in the medical examiner’s report were so severe that they had to be sewn up to prevent leakage before the body could be embalmed.

-One retired cop, who preferred anonymity, suggested that the strange hush-up of a cop killing was easily instigated by the FBI because of its knowledge of drug crimes within the ranks of the OCPD.

-In an exclusive interview with American Free Press, Mrs. Yeakey said that her husband had been upset by something he had seen under the day care center during the rescue operation. He had wanted to go back and photograph it, but the officials would not let him onto the site again. She said Yeakey had been ordered by his superiors at OCPD to rewrite his nine-page report to omit and alter certain facts and to condense it to but one page.

-Yeakey had told friends that he was going out of town to hide or secure “evidence of a cover-up of the bombing by federal agents.”

[Canelo Phresh]

Watched Zeitgeist last night it was good. Tin foil hats arent my thing but to be dismissive of other forms of thought other than what major media tells you shows an extremely limited understanding and lack of cognitive adaptability. You show me a government that doesnt lie and Ill eat humble pie. Also history repeats itself. Those in power are an extreme minority that will fight and kill to maintain that power by any means necessary. Im not 9/11 was an inside job but, have those in power used it to exact their agenda for imperialist expansion in the middle east and to deconstruct our bill of rights?

[squealpiggy]

Look at the story posted a few pages ago. It explains it all. Obviously, it's coming from a biased source, but you can find the same info on unbiased sources.

Post your unbiased sources. I googled Terrance Yeakey, got to page four of search results without a single hit from a non-conspiracy theory website.

You mentioned a report relating to his suicide. I assume that a freedom of information act means that the report has been released to the public. Linking to the report would be a start.

Watched Zeitgeist last night it was good. Tin foil hats arent my thing but to be dismissive of other forms of thought other than what major media tells you shows an extremely limited understanding and lack of cognitive adaptability.

The trouble here is that you insist that everyone who doesn't immediately buy any old nonsense you crib from stupid websites only responds to information from "mainstream media". Zeitgeist is ridiculous and its claims are almost entirely unsubstantiated.

You show me a government that doesnt lie and Ill eat humble pie.

You're hinting at a false dichotomy here. Governments are often untrustworthy and take actions that are based in nothing more than their own self interest. The Ontario government here has wasted hundreds of millions of dollars moving a power plant from a proposed location outside Toronto because they were contending a couple of seats in Provincial Parliament near where the plant was due to be built. While proposing austerity measures against public servants they are wasting money to buy seats in an attempt to get a majority.

It's a disgusting scandal and isn't the first one that McGuinty's Liberals have been involved in during his terms in office. But there's an obvious and clear benefit to this sort of underhanded nonsense, it was exposed immediately and it caused a scandal. It's a hugely different proposition to a massive conspiracy to murder thousands of people in order to achieve nebulous aims.

1. Blow up World Trade Centre
2. Invade Iraq
3. ???
4. Profit

Also history repeats itself. Those in power are an extreme minority that will fight and kill to maintain that power by any means necessary. Im not 9/11 was an inside job but, have those in power used it to exact their agenda for imperialist expansion in the middle east and to deconstruct our bill of rights?

So you're saying that "those in power" predicted that a false flag attack on 9/11 would lead to an invasion of... Iraq... and then... what? What exactly was the benefit that 9/11 or any such atrocity attributed to these nameless people "in power" would confer to the conspirators? I mean you've painted an image of a few powerful people fighting fiercely to maintain their tenuous grip on authority. What do you think they would achieve by "imperialist expansion in the Middle East" as individuals?

[Canelo Phresh]

Post your unbiased sources. I googled Terrance Yeakey, got to page four of search results without a single hit from a non-conspiracy theory website.

You mentioned a report relating to his suicide. I assume that a freedom of information act means that the report has been released to the public. Linking to the report would be a start.



The trouble here is that you insist that everyone who doesn't immediately buy any old nonsense you crib from stupid websites only responds to information from "mainstream media". Zeitgeist is ridiculous and its claims are almost entirely unsubstantiated.



You're hinting at a false dichotomy here. Governments are often untrustworthy and take actions that are based in nothing more than their own self interest. The Ontario government here has wasted hundreds of millions of dollars moving a power plant from a proposed location outside Toronto because they were contending a couple of seats in Provincial Parliament near where the plant was due to be built. While proposing austerity measures against public servants they are wasting money to buy seats in an attempt to get a majority.

It's a disgusting scandal and isn't the first one that McGuinty's Liberals have been involved in during his terms in office. But there's an obvious and clear benefit to this sort of underhanded nonsense, it was exposed immediately and it caused a scandal. It's a hugely different proposition to a massive conspiracy to murder thousands of people in order to achieve nebulous aims.

1. Blow up World Trade Centre
2. Invade Iraq
3. ???
4. Profit



So you're saying that "those in power" predicted that a false flag attack on 9/11 would lead to an invasion of... Iraq... and then... what? What exactly was the benefit that 9/11 or any such atrocity attributed to these nameless people "in power" would confer to the conspirators? I mean you've painted an image of a few powerful people fighting fiercely to maintain their tenuous grip on authority. What do you think they would achieve by "imperialist expansion in the Middle East" as individuals?

If your talking about Obamas war on the 1st 4th and 6th thread I made i sited prnewswire a business news site and politico. yes i site rt because they cover the angles not covered by cnn msnbc and fox. also you couldnt say **** in that thread so try harder.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=568175

[squealpiggy]

If your talking about Obamas war on the 1st 4th and 6th thread I made i sited prnewswire a business news site and politico. yes i site rt because they cover the angles not covered by cnn msnbc and fox. also you couldnt say **** in that thread so try harder.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=568175

The provisions in the NDAA are nothing to be alarmed about, are not significantly different to provisions already enacted in 2001 and are no different to laws in place in the UK since the 1970s, and really don't mean what you're claiming. They also are not in any way congruous with conspiracy theories, considering there is no attempt at secrecy. They are debated in congress for god's sake!

[Canelo Phresh]

The provisions in the NDAA are nothing to be alarmed about, are not significantly different to provisions already enacted in 2001 and are no different to laws in place in the UK since the 1970s, and really don't mean what you're claiming. They also are not in any way congruous with conspiracy theories, considering there is no attempt at secrecy. They are debated in congress for god's sake!

Your changing topics from the topic you yourself changed it to originally. RT is not a credible news source according to you so I showed politico. Violating our rights is an alarming situation. These rights were enacted to protect the individual from a tyrranical government and now in the name of security the president is stripping away our constitutional rights. NDAA bill gives the president the ability to label protesters as enemy combatants. Judge Forrest herself said the language in section 1021 of NDAA was to vague and could be used to violate constitutional rights. Obama admin acted fast to overturn this judicial ruling which it was granted a stay by 3 state judges appointed by Obama. The fast pace in which they sought a stay of this ruling has led to speculation of american citizens already being detained for exercising their right to protest.