Think I'm going to switch sides to supporting the God argument, not much of a fight going on.
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the universe did not just create its damn self.we have a creator
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Originally posted by The Noose View PostThe religious response would be; God by definition is an eternal being.
Whereas we know the universe had a beginning.
Still polyfilla if u ask me.
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Originally posted by -Kev- View PostManny Pacquiao has influenced these guys to be ******s. SMH.
And what now? You think Pacquiao influences peoples religious beliefs, damn you think the guy is a prophet.
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For those who dont believe in God; what argument(s) do you find most compelling/evidence that supports the notion of a creator?
(and by God i dont mean any specific God, but just the concept of a creator).
I believe in God, but with that said the arguments/'evidence' i find most compelling is the mathematical nature of the universe, fine tuning, golden ratios, etc. Things such as sacred geometry (fractals) are evident all through out life, the planet, and universe. Seems to me to be one of the greatest 'evidences' of a creator.
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Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Postbut isnt is kinda being a hypocrite when you claim the universe dosnt need a creator but expect some one to explain where a so called creator came from?
Conjuring a godhead to explain things is no explanation at all, unless your approach to any hard question is "magic".
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Originally posted by kaps View PostThen what made god?
First cause arguments are not based upon the idea that everything that exists must have a a cause (why would that even be so?) they are based upon the proposition that everything that has a beginning must have a cause. They are based upon the idea that the material universe is a chain of cause and effect that must ultimately originate in one grand first cause.Last edited by res; 06-16-2012, 10:44 AM.
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Originally posted by Malius View PostPlease specify which god:
Juda-Chisrtian god
Muslim God
Seek god
Buddhaism
Mayan gods
Egyptian gods
Norse gods
Persian Gods
Islander gods
All are correct in their own belief system, all you need if faith and they have it therefore they are right.
and lets exclude the Gods that weren't even powerful enough to keep themselves alive/relevant
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Originally posted by res View PostWhy would God need a creator?
First cause arguments are not based upon the idea that everything that exists must have a a cause (why would that even be so?) they are based upon the proposition that everything that has a beginning must have a cause. They are based upon the idea that the material universe is a chain of cause and effect that must ultimately originate in one grand first cause.
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