Should First Cousins be Allowed to Marry?

[Russian Crushin]

You're the one that made the absurd, unsubstantiated claim that "thousands" of animals are gay.



I haven't denied anything. Go ahead and have the last word, all trolls must.

Here you go, 90 different sources

Hope thats substantiated now

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[Russian Crushin]

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[Russian Crushin]

No, no problem with people getting married, problem with the extra benefits they get though.

But can understand it because they are institutions where the next generation come from and it is important for society to do well.

Gay marriage does not do this, why should they get getting extra benefits, you allow them to get them, why not let everyone have them.

Again, you're arguing against marriage overall

[D4thincarnation]

Again, you're arguing against marriage overall

Again, I'm not entirely as I admit it is an important role in society. But Gay marriage is not.

[Russian Crushin]

Again, I'm not entirely as I admit it is an important role in society. But Gay marriage is not.

You keep saying how unfair it is for "married couples to receive benefits that non married dont"

THis is an argument against marriage

[Jim Jeffries]

A bunch of references, in multiple languages, with duplicates. Gee thanks.

I wonder how much of my tax dollars went to fund ****sexual interactions in bed bugs? And which of these did you read which convinced you beyond a reasonable doubt to make the statement that "thousands" of animals are gay?

What search did you use to come up with Cold Shoulder for Swedish Seductresses?

[Russian Crushin]

A bunch of references, in multiple languages, with duplicates. Gee thanks.

I wonder how much of my tax dollars went to fund ****sexual interactions in bed bugs? And which of these did you read which convinced you beyond a reasonable doubt to make the statement that "thousands" of animals are gay?

So thats not good enough?

Cmon Jim

[D4thincarnation]

You keep saying how unfair it is for "married couples to receive benefits that non married dont"

THis is an argument against marriage

You seem to have a problem understanding.

I'll try and put it is simple terms for you.

Marriage: Useful for society

Gay Marriage: Not useful for society.

[Russian Crushin]

You seem to have a problem understanding.

I'll try and put it is simple terms for you.

Marriage: Useful for society

Gay Marriage: Not useful for society.

......you keep saying that but now saying how

I have posts several times how it contributes $210 mil to the economy in 3 years. Is that not a use for society?

Oh and BTW gay marriage is marriage, so thanks for backing up my point

[D4thincarnation]

......you keep saying that but now saying how

I have posts several times how it contributes $210 mil to the economy in 3 years. Is that not a use for society?

Oh and BTW gay marriage is marriage, so thanks for backing up my point

They can have all the ceremonies they want, just not the benefits.

Marriage provides a stable home to bring up children in, $210 mill is nothing