One of the Best U.S. Presidents of All times, if not the best

[Spartacus Sully]

Ok. Now run along.

You bore me.

Theres this actor called humphrey bogart, he was in this movie called the caine mutiny.

really really really really good movie, id rate it over mutiny on the bounty with brando actually.

the end is really good, these guys pull a munity over bogart, and get tried in naval court for it. the lawyer presses bogart in court to the edge of breaking where he actually does have a break down right in court so to prove that he could have possible had a mental break down which resulted in the munity.

or how about that a few good men, where they weere pressing that one dude and hes like i want the truth and the guys like you cant handel the truth.

those were some good movies.

i find that most the time in life its not what you say, but how people respond.

[starjammer]

Everybody knows The Patriots control the U.S.

[rorymac]

I think Garfield did a lot of good in his short Presidency

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

GOAT status in my book. President Grover Cleveland. He was ruthless with the Veto pen, never shy in rejecting unconstitutional spending bills. And he was a Democrat, imagine that. One of the underrated greats, while all the flashy overrated ones (Lincoln, FDR, JFK, etc,.) get the Ali, Tyson treatment in the history books.

My Favorite:

Vetoes





That's how you control, out of control Government spending. Those were the days. Times for the individual.

when it comes to GOAT status in the presidency there is really only 2-3 presidents that truly belong in that discussion and that involves Abe, George Washington, and FDR. Those are the only real candidates for GOAT status.

lmfaaoo at grover cleveland.

[One_Tycoon]

when it comes to GOAT status in the presidency there is really only 2-3 presidents that truly belong in that discussion and that involves Abe, George Washington, and FDR. Those are the only real candidates for GOAT status.

lmfaaoo at grover cleveland.

That depends on what your criteria is.

FDR certainly shouldn't be on the goat list with his expansion of Government power.

In fact, he should be ranked as one of the worst presidents of all time for his Anti-personal freedom. Definitely one of the overrated presidents of all times.

[One_Tycoon]

and FDR. Those are the only real candidates for GOAT status.

To get the the truth about FDR and his New Deal, read: The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Great Depression and the New Deal by Robert Murphy

Book Description

The Politically Incorrect Guides

In this timely new P.I. Guide, Murphy reveals the stark truth: free market failure didn't cause the Great Depression and the New Deal didn't cure it. Shattering myths and politically correct lies, he tells why World War II didn t help the economy or get us out of the Great Depression; why it took FDR to make the Depression Great; and why Herbert Hoover was more like Obama and less like Bush than the liberal media would have you believe. Free-market believers and capitalists everywhere should have this on their bookshelf and in their briefcases.


Everything you know about the Great Depression and the New Deal is wrong

We all learned in school that the 1920s were a time of unregulated capitalism that led to the stock market Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression of the 1930s. Herbert Hoover was a laissez-faire ideologue who did nothing to alleviate the crisis--even as citizens starved and were forced to live in "Hoovervilles." And the interventionist policies and massive spending programs of Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal gradually lifted us out of the Depression, until World War II brought it to a definitive end.

The only trouble with this official narrative--taught in most history textbooks, and proclaimed as gospel by the media--is that every element of it is false. Worse, this unsubstantiated myth is now being used to justify a "new New Deal" in response to today's economic crisis that could lead to a Greater Depression even deeper and longer than the first. But in The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Great Depression and the New Deal, economist Robert Murphy fact-checks the myths, shows why they're wrong, and delves deep into history to set the record straight. His "politically incorrect" conclusion? It was government, not free markets, that caused the Great Depression--and the New Deal only made it worse. The real "lessons of the Great Depression" are not what you've been taught.

* The Crash of `29 was caused not by capitalism, but by the boom brought on by the newly created Federal Reserve's easy money policy (sound familiar?)

* Hoover made the Depression "Great" precisely by abandoning the laissez-faire approach that previous presidents had followed and that kept depressions short

* The bank runs of the 1930s were caused by government intervention in the banking system

* Government efforts to prop up wages and prices led to a full decade of double-digit unemployment

* FDR's arbitrary policies toward businessmen resulted in net investment of less than zero for much of the Depression


YOU'LL BE CURED OF YOUR APATHY.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

That depends on what your criteria is.

FDR certainly shouldn't be on the goat list with his expansion of Government power.

In fact, he should be ranked as one of the worst presidents of all time for his Anti-personal freedom. Definitely one of the overrated presidents of all times.

To get the the truth about FDR and his New Deal, read: The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Great Depression and the New Deal by Robert Murphy

Book Description

The Politically Incorrect Guides

In this timely new P.I. Guide, Murphy reveals the stark truth: free market failure didn't cause the Great Depression and the New Deal didn't cure it. Shattering myths and politically correct lies, he tells why World War II didn t help the economy or get us out of the Great Depression; why it took FDR to make the Depression Great; and why Herbert Hoover was more like Obama and less like Bush than the liberal media would have you believe. Free-market believers and capitalists everywhere should have this on their bookshelf and in their briefcases.


Everything you know about the Great Depression and the New Deal is wrong

We all learned in school that the 1920s were a time of unregulated capitalism that led to the stock market Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression of the 1930s. Herbert Hoover was a laissez-faire ideologue who did nothing to alleviate the crisis--even as citizens starved and were forced to live in "Hoovervilles." And the interventionist policies and massive spending programs of Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal gradually lifted us out of the Depression, until World War II brought it to a definitive end.

The only trouble with this official narrative--taught in most history textbooks, and proclaimed as gospel by the media--is that every element of it is false. Worse, this unsubstantiated myth is now being used to justify a "new New Deal" in response to today's economic crisis that could lead to a Greater Depression even deeper and longer than the first. But in The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Great Depression and the New Deal, economist Robert Murphy fact-checks the myths, shows why they're wrong, and delves deep into history to set the record straight. His "politically incorrect" conclusion? It was government, not free markets, that caused the Great Depression--and the New Deal only made it worse. The real "lessons of the Great Depression" are not what you've been taught.

* The Crash of `29 was caused not by capitalism, but by the boom brought on by the newly created Federal Reserve's easy money policy (sound familiar?)

* Hoover made the Depression "Great" precisely by abandoning the laissez-faire approach that previous presidents had followed and that kept depressions short

* The bank runs of the 1930s were caused by government intervention in the banking system

* Government efforts to prop up wages and prices led to a full decade of double-digit unemployment

* FDR's arbitrary policies toward businessmen resulted in net investment of less than zero for much of the Depression


YOU'LL BE CURED OF YOUR APATHY.

lmfaaoooo. You read one economic and political book based on one man's opinion and you are suddenly brimming with a false sense of pride and omniscient knowledge as if you have proven something concrete.

FDR has been rated on a very consistent basis as a top 3 president in american history by various presidential historians and best president's list.

calm down and stop acting like you have all the answers.

[One_Tycoon]

lmfaaoooo. You read one economic and political book based on one man's opinion and you are suddenly brimming with a false sense of pride and omniscient knowledge as if you have proven something concrete.

FDR has been rated on a very consistent basis as a top 3 president in american history by various presidential historians and best president's list.

calm down and stop acting like you have all the answers.

Not one book, but one of many. That was just one example. The mainstream chooses to reject it. I'm as calm as a cucumber.

And FDR being ranked by "various presidential historians" means jack to me. I've already pointed this out. Their criteria is all skewed and favors intervention into the economy, and expansion of Government, which is all wrong.

And this book amongst many explains it. It's not just opinion but opinion backed up by facts, facts ignored in mainstream history books that embrace FDR's type of intervention and use it as a example/justification of what to do in current economic turmoil.

Which is stimulate the economy with borrowed money, spending trillions for a few percentages of economic growth. Artificial growth that is.

[Easy-E]

GOAT status in my book. President Grover Cleveland. He was ruthless with the Veto pen, never shy in rejecting unconstitutional spending bills. And he was a Democrat, imagine that. One of the underrated greats, while all the flashy overrated ones (Lincoln, FDR, JFK, etc,.) get the Ali, Tyson treatment in the history books.

My Favorite:

Vetoes





That's how you control, out of control Government spending. Those were the days. Times for the individual.

been listening to Ron Paul, have we?

[One_Tycoon]

been listening to Ron Paul, have we?

Someone else asked me this in my last thread. And the answer was NO. Not that it matters does it?

Ron Paul is merely one proponent of Austrian Economics and a lousy one at that. If people were just listening to his stutterings, they wouldn't learn a damn thing. Besides I disagree with him about Iran, if my money is gonna go towards anything, it should be towards the military nuking that place if they have to.

What I have been listening or better reading, is some Ludvig von Mises and Hayek, and I recommend you do the same.