Now post a picture of yourself

[UglyPug]

A simple "I agree with you Capitalist" would've sufficed, and kept it moving.

No, your whole view is wrong. All that money that get taxed from the wealthy could be money pumped back into the private sector. Whether it is staying in the bank, and someone is borrowing that capital. OR whether it is put back into the company and businesses. Instead it gets squandered and Government misuses it and even borrows on top of it to pay for all of their expenditures.

People need to stop lying and misleading about more taxes being needed for infrastructure and Welfare. These can all be handled at the state level if need to be.

Personally I would favor abolishing all forms of welfare, Sociali Security and Medicare, after the current retirees die out, but that's just me. What happens in California with their Liberal legislature and laws, should not effect someone working and living in Texas or Nevada. Not our problem.

I never said MORE taxes; the current tax rates are just fine. . .

We NEED regulation - Im not saying the govt. should be big brother always hunched over your shoulder, but look what happened with Enron with deregulation was at its peak?

Hah! No forms of social welfare? There would be anarchy, homelessness, and crime everywhere? We already have one of the largest gaps between rich and poor - if it gets worse, then "occupy wall street" will be more like "occupy whatever the fhuck you want"

It's called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA for a reason - we are one entity. . . . We rely on interstate commerce, which in turn relies on federal taxes. . . That's just one example.

Lol you are obviously set in your views, as I am mine. . . I'm done here. . This is a picture thread, and we've hijacked it long enough.

[UglyPug]

Now stop resisting, reject your Liberal professors ideology that was drilled into you and embrace Free Market Capitalism, self-reliance, individualism, Small Government conservatism and keeping ALL fruits of your labor/work.

Taxation is theft, period.

You know what they say: If you're not a Liberal by age 18 you don't have a heart, if you're not a Conservative by age 28 you don't have a brain.

Lol, but the only reason most people have "fruits of their labor" to enjoy, is BECAUSE of the government. . . Interstates you drive on to work? Airplanes you travel on? It would be one big cluster**** if it became "every state for themselves. . . "

The federal government provided my dad with a good job - he was making good money; especially his last 5-10 years when he was a big time boss . . . After he passed, my mom was still able to receive like 75% of what he was making before he retired - she'll get those monthly checks until she passes . . . She still works a pretty decent paying job, but because of the federal government, my mom doesn't ever have to worry about money. . .

[One_Tycoon]

We NEED regulation - Im not saying the govt. should be big brother always hunched over your shoulder, but look what happened with Enron with deregulation was at its peak?

Nonsense. Some of the worst aspects of the Enron calamity would not have happened without government intervention in the marketplace. Opponents of the market say we have to stop another Enron from happening again. Yet all the government's watchdog agencies completely missed Enron.

The system of cronyism in Washington made the debacle possible and made it harder for the public to find out what was going on. Existing laws put Enron execs. behind bars, but they won't touch any of Enron's accomplices in Washington. They are too busy devising additional laws and "regulations" that pretend to protect us from fraud, while obscuring the biggest fraud of all.

Hah! No forms of social welfare? There would be anarchy, homelessness, and crime everywhere? We already have one of the largest gaps between rich and poor - if it gets worse, then "occupy wall street" will be more like "occupy whatever the fhuck you want"

B.S. threats. Austerity cuts will come anyway once other countries no longer accept our paper money in exchange for their made goods that we consume. Those people will be better off if we return to pure Free Market policies, and more productive jobs gets created. Hence why we need to cut taxes as incentive to bring businesses into the States, and deregulate so employers don't have to waste money on compliance and liabilities before hiring someone.

The largest gaps between rich and poor is because of our Monetary policy and more money being pumped into the system then need be. Not because of personal greed, which always existed.

Lol you are obviously set in your views, as I am mine. . . I'm done here. . This is a picture thread, and we've hijacked it long enough.

Yes, the difference is you're wrong and I'm right. Stop resisting and embrace Economic and personal Liberty. And refute Economic central planning and the welfare state. If you want that sort of stuff, apply of Denmark citizenship.

[One_Tycoon]

Here we go again:

Lol, but the only reason most people have "fruits of their labor" to enjoy, is BECAUSE of the government. . . Interstates you drive on to work? Airplanes you travel on? It would be one big cluster**** if it became "every state for themselves. . . "

Socialist propaganda. Heard it all before. Do we have a choice in the Government taking our money by force to build stuff? No, the Government has nothing therefore it is nothing. It just takes from others and decides what to do with it. As I already explained to you in the previous thread, we have had infrastructure well before the income tax (check the history) and those using it as justification for a income tax are deceiving people.

I don't owe the government my living.

The federal government provided my dad with a good job - he was making good money; especially his last 5-10 years when he was a big time boss . . . After he passed, my mom was still able to receive like 75% of what he was making before he retired - she'll get those monthly checks until she passes . . . She still works a pretty decent paying job, but because of the federal government, my mom doesn't ever have to worry about money. . .

I don't care much for that. Government jobs are unproductive jobs.

If your father worked a federal job, he should've been fired long time ago and forced into the private sector instead of leeching off of Private sector Tax money to do something that doesn't build or produce anything. Those make-work jobs may have helped some people, but the money for those jobs was taken from people, who would have created other productive jobs.

This is nothing personal against your dad. That position probably shouldn't even exist and be abolished. Too many unproductive Public sector job and the nerve of those who think that they're entitled to collective bargaining. If you want to get paid a lot of money and have collective bargaining rights, go into the private sector.

[Spartacus Sully]

Pugs, stop trolling the capitalist, he allready has it bad enough as it is, i mean he is a capitalist.......

[UglyPug]

Pugs, stop trolling the capitalist, he allready has it bad enough as it is, i mean he is a capitalist.......

Lol you right, you right. . . I just don't understand how he can actually preach NO TAXES at all?!

I'm all for free market capitalism as well - but to a certain extent. . . I don't want big government either! I don't want it to be involved anymore than necessary. . . Also states should be able to decide a lot of issues for themselves. . .

I think taxes should be as low as possible, but no taxes?! Lol. . This isn't an 18th century agrarian society anymore where 90% of people live off their own land, and produce. . .

[UglyPug]

To put it in perspective, how good we have it compared to Scandinavian countries like Denmark - their tax rate for the top income bracket is like 65%, opposed to 35% for USA (and that's if you're making well over 300k per). . .

I honestly USA is the ideal system to balance social needs and independent financial freedom. . . Few adjustments maybe.

[One_Tycoon]

Hmm don't explain yourself by talking to a third party.

Lol you right, you right. . . I just don't understand how he can actually preach NO TAXES at all?!

But you should understand because it has been explained to you. Do you need reading material that I can assign you as homework for better, more specific explanation on why we don't need a Income tax, and why it is immoral to have a Income tax?

If so, let me know. It will refute your entire ideology that was drilled into you by the public education system.

I'm all for free market capitalism as well - but to a certain extent. . .

So you're for a Mixed Economy then. Regulation, welfare, the whole thing?

That is not a free market. Lets get the definition right.

I don't want big government either! I don't want it to be involved anymore than necessary. . .

Then necessary? Who decides what's necessary? You? The Central Economic planners who think they're smarter than all of us and want to run our lives by taking our resources and reallocating it as they see fit? And if something goes wrong it's, "oops we miscalculated, better luck next time", while they drive our dollar and country into bankruptcy. BOOOM!!!

Also states should be able to decide a lot of issues for themselves. . .

Yes they should. Less lip service and more actual states rights please.

I think taxes should be as low as possible, but no taxes?! Lol. . This isn't an 18th century agrarian society anymore where 90% of people live off their own land, and produce. . .

Red herrings. Income taxes are not necessary to have a thriving economy. In fact we would have a much better and healthier economy without it and Government just staying out of the way and not taxing and borrowing for few percentages of phony economic growth. All it takes is citizens to get their character back and stop looking at the Government for a handout. If Government needs revenue for things like defense which are required per the constitution, we can have National sales tax as I already said in previous thread.

Any more questions?

[Spartacus Sully]

To put it in perspective, how good we have it compared to Scandinavian countries like Denmark - their tax rate for the top income bracket is like 65%, opposed to 35% for USA (and that's if you're making well over 300k per). . .

I honestly USA is the ideal system to balance social needs and independent financial freedom. . . Few adjustments maybe.

yeah, rich people need to stop being such greedy pieces of ****.

^^^^^loook at this dude, hes soooo desperate for friendship that hes replying to a post you made to me....

[UglyPug]

Hmm don't explain yourself by talking to a third party.



But you should understand because it has been explained to you. Do you need reading material that I can assign you as homework for better, more specific explanation on why we don't need a Income tax, and why it is immoral to have a Income tax?

If so, let me know. It will refute your entire ideology that was drilled into you by the public education system.





So you're for a Mixed Economy then. Regulation, welfare, the whole thing?

That is not a free market. Lets get the definition right.





Then necessary? Who decides what's necessary? You? The Central Economic planners who think they're smarter than all of us and want to run our lives by taking our resources and reallocating it as they see fit? And if something goes wrong it's, "oops we miscalculated, better luck next time", while they drive our dollar and country into bankruptcy. BOOOM!!!





Yes they should. Less lip service and more actual states rights please.



Red herrings. Income taxes are not necessary to have a thriving economy. In fact we would have a much better and healthier economy without it and Government just staying out of the way and not taxing and borrowing for few percentages of phony economic growth. All it takes is citizens to get their character back and stop looking at the Government for a handout. If Government needs revenue for things like defense which are required per the constitution, we can have National sales tax as I already said in previous thread.

Any more questions?

Ill concede what you posit sounds EXCELLENT. . IN THEORY. . However, the practicality of USA transitioning over to such a system without any problems is wishful thinking. . .