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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
    Actually that is a black and white accusation of why you think there is so much crime in America. The truth is, there are literally millions of other factors. One of them being the prison system and I agree with you on this, we don't do enough rehabilitating and just lock people up.

    I just feel the way that I do about the death penalty only in extreme cases. I'm not saying line people up and kill them all, I'm saying in extreme cases, where there is no shadow of a doubt of their guilt, execute them.

    I don't see a good reason to keep them alive on the tax payers dollar. Guns, drugs and locking people to become better criminals are more influential reasons for the crime here in America, not the death penalty.
    Honestly, if they've already been locked up it's usually too late. Rehabilitation is a wonderful tool but tend to fail more times than it succes.

    You have to ask yourself why people do the things they do, and try to combat the issue before it becomes a regular problem.
    Like Poverty, we always say that these people are lazy and should get off their asses and get a job and do good for themselves here in the western world, but there's reasons why they are where they are, and letting them fend for themselves becomes society's problem the moment they start stealing/killing/selling drugs etc in desperation.
    At this is the point they start to annoy us and we say lock them up/build more prisons, kill them off. The truth on the other hand is that at this point in their life they start to cost more tax dollars to keep locked up year after year than it would've cost to have measures that would help the lowest income / most desperate families get a decent start in life before they ended up where they did.

    As I said, instead of blaming thousends upon thousends of criminals start to look into the issue and ask yourself.. Why is this a problem and how do we fix this fundamental problem in society. Not saying we can get rid of crime, that's utopia, but at some point when the prisons are overcrowded and a western society execute more people than they do in third world countries we have to ask our self.. What the fuck just happened.
    Last edited by Grand Champ; 06-03-2011, 01:39 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Grand Champ View Post
      Honestly, if they've already been locked up it's usually too late. Rehabilitation is a wonderful tool but tend to fail more times than it succes.

      You have to ask yourself why people do the things they do, and try to combat the issue before it becomes a regular problem.
      Like Poverty, we always say that these people are lazy and should get off their asses and get a job and do good for themselves here in the western world, but there's reasons why they are where they are, and letting them fend for themselves becomes society's problem the moment they start stealing/killing/selling drugs etc in desperation.
      This is the point they start to annoy us and we say lock them up/build more prisons, kill them off. The truth on the other hand is that at this point in their life they start to cost more tax dollars to keep locked up year after year than it would've cost to have measures that would help the lowest income / most desperate families get a decent start in life before they ended up where they did.

      As I said, instead of blaming thousends upon thousends of criminals start to look into the issue and ask yourself.. Why is this a problem and how do we fix this fundamental problem in society. Not saying we can get rid of crime, that's utopia, but at some point when the prisons is overcrowded and a western society execute more people than they do in third world countries we have to ask our self.. What the fuck just happened.
      There's nothing you said there that I disagree with. I agree that the best medicine is prevention.......more easily said I think.

      The reality is, that there will be crime and there will be murders. There will be rape and there will be the most horrific crimes perpetrated because we are humans and we are flawed.

      So what do we do with those people? Individuals like Ted Bundy didn't come from poverty or an environment where they had a need to do what they did, they did it simply because they have a deficiency in their brain. They are mentally sick.

      Serial killers need to kill, for nothing more than that. It's an addiction, the same way alcohol or drugs are. The problem is, obviously the addiction to murder is hurting others and not just themselves so people who are a menace to society need to be eliminated the same way some thing or someone who is threatening your life or the people you love lives....

      I know it may sound simple to you and I agree, we need to cut the problem at the root but there are extreme cases of which I'm talking about that need to be dealt with.

      For those extreme cases, I'm for capital punishment.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
        There's nothing you said there that I disagree with. I agree that the best medicine is prevention.......more easily said I think.

        The reality is, that there will be crime and there will be murders. There will be rape and there will be the most horrific crimes perpetrated because we are humans and we are flawed.

        So what do we do with those people? Individuals like Ted Bundy didn't come from poverty or an environment where they had a need to do what they did, they did it simply because they have a deficiency in their brain. They are mentally sick.

        Serial killers need to kill, for nothing more than that. It's an addiction, the same way alcohol or drugs are. The problem is, obviously the addiction to murder is hurting others and not just themselves so people who are a menace to society need to be eliminated the same way some thing or someone who is threatening your life or the people you love lives....

        I know it may sound simple to you and I agree, we need to cut the problem at the root but there are extreme cases of which I'm talking about that need to be dealt with.

        For those extreme cases, I'm for capital punishment.
        I get what you're saying and I definitely agree. Just to play devil's advocate I'd suggest considering that if the prison system were reformed/we fixed society's issue (cough invest in real education for once instead of always cutting cough) that it wouldn't be such a big deal to just put them in solitary for life and outlaw the death penalty all together, you know?

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        • #34
          She was beautiful and that is the real reason why Muslim men jealously guard their sisters and daughters, because they don't want the rest of the world to realize the deliciousness of Arab women. I had the pleasure of smashing one during a layover in England that I met at a pub she bartended at. It was some of the best sex I ever had.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
            There's nothing you said there that I disagree with. I agree that the best medicine is prevention.......more easily said I think.

            The reality is, that there will be crime and there will be murders. There will be rape and there will be the most horrific crimes perpetrated because we are humans and we are flawed.

            So what do we do with those people? Individuals like Ted Bundy didn't come from poverty or an environment where they had a need to do what they did, they did it simply because they have a deficiency in their brain. They are mentally sick.

            Serial killers need to kill, for nothing more than that. It's an addiction, the same way alcohol or drugs are. The problem is, obviously the addiction to murder is hurting others and not just themselves so people who are a menace to society need to be eliminated the same way some thing or someone who is threatening your life or the people you love lives....

            I know it may sound simple to you and I agree, we need to cut the problem at the root but there are extreme cases of which I'm talking about that need to be dealt with.

            For those extreme cases, I'm for capital punishment.
            There's always a reason for peoples action if you know their story. For Ted Bundy he said porn became and addction to him and at some point he couldn't get his regular ''fix'' by watching **** anymore and reached to point where he had to get his kick from doing more extreme stuff.



            Taken hours before his execution, I don't think he got a reason to lie at this point. But, as mentioned, you can usually find the cause of a problem by looking at flaws in society and where they (society) lack prevention, education on an issue.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by fordhamboxing View Post
              I get what you're saying and I definitely agree. Just to play devil's advocate I'd suggest considering that if the prison system were reformed/we fixed society's issue (cough invest in real education for once instead of always cutting cough) that it wouldn't be such a big deal to just put them in solitary for life and outlaw the death penalty all together, you know?
              Solitary confinement can be argued is worse than death but for me, it's wasting time and money....

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Grand Champ View Post
                  There's always a reason for peoples action if you know their story. For Ted Bundy he said porn became and addction to him and at some point he couldn't get his regular ''fix'' by watching **** anymore and reached to point where he had to get his kick from doing more extreme stuff.



                  Taken hours before his execution, I don't think he got a reason to lie at this point. But, as mentioned, you can usually find the cause of a problem by looking at flaws in society and where they (society) lack prevention, education on an issue.
                  Millions of people are addicted to ****, 99.999% of them don't chose to murder people for kicks.

                  Serial killers are diagnosed as psychopath, megalomaniacs.....it's a mental issue man.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
                    Millions of people are addicted to ****, 99.999% of them don't chose to murder people for kicks.

                    Serial killers are diagnosed as psychopath, megalomaniacs.....it's a mental issue man.
                    And people all react to it differently. can't say that everyone watches it and reacts the same to it either. He was clearly a psychopath, I'm not deniying that but something clearly triggered something that suddenly made him do it.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by -Jay- View Post
                      Another great example of why religion should be abolished. What a waste.
                      There's nothing wrong with religion, there's a problem with Islam and Muslims. I can safely say that I hate Muslims. I live very close to the most heavily dense area in the United States of Muslims and part of me fears what these people would do. Not all of them are bad but majority of them are.

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