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  • #51
    Originally posted by MCCCXXXIII View Post
    Why is that in Bahrain for example, when the Government there are shooting civilians, the US and UK part with the Bahrain government, and in Libya, a similar problems and the west part with the rebels? hmmm No consistency whatsoever from the western governments. Be under no illusions, this is about oil.
    You do realize Bahrain is a totally different situation than Libya? If I'm not mistaken, we have troops in Bahrain(Albeit a very small number)as well as a Naval port(5th Fleet which means that the country is of strategic importance to us). Bahrain has been an ally during the war on terrorisim, and is receiving assistance from Saudi Arabia and neigboring countries in straightining out their mess. That situation is more so under control than Libya, in fact I'll go as far as to say it is a miniature Eygpt situation. Or and by your oil logic we should be bombing Bahrain as it does produce a substantial amount of oil. Dont forget that it is also a banking hub. It seems to me your post is more inconsistant than our role in Libya.

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    • #52
      Obama could **** out a golden egg and conservatives would say it's not shiny enough.

      I think Obama handled this situation PERFECTLY. I don't often say that but I don't think he could have handled himself any better.

      First off, he didn't go in alone, something that would have caused an outrage against the U.S world wide and critics of Obama would have called him a hypocrite for his criticism of Bush in his engagements.

      Second, he got FRANCE!!! Yes...FRANCE to join in on a military effort, I mean can we not agree that in itself is amazing?

      This was a UN resolution so we cannot say it was the U.S doing anything.

      Also, the critics that said he should have taken action earlier, have to understand in order for it to be a U.N resolution, it takes time. He accomplished what was trying to be accomplished and that was saving thousands of innocent people from being slaughtered.

      Bernie Golberg on O'Reilly recently criticized the president saying he didn't agree with this action, yet not but 1 1/2 weeks ago on the same program was saying that Obama has no backbone for waiting so long, should act immediately and referenced Reagan and what a badass he basically was.

      Like I said, Obama can't win for losing so it doesn't matter.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
        Obama could **** out a golden egg and conservatives would say it's not shiny enough.

        I think Obama handled this situation PERFECTLY. I don't often say that but I don't think he could have handled himself any better.

        First off, he didn't go in alone, something that would have caused an outrage against the U.S world wide and critics of Obama would have called him a hypocrite for his criticism of Bush in his engagements.

        Second, he got FRANCE!!! Yes...FRANCE to join in on a military effort, I mean can we not agree that in itself is amazing?

        This was a UN resolution so we cannot say it was the U.S doing anything.

        Also, the critics that said he should have taken action earlier, have to understand in order for it to be a U.N resolution, it takes time. He accomplished what was trying to be accomplished and that was saving thousands of innocent people from being slaughtered.

        Bernie Golberg on O'Reilly recently criticized the president saying he didn't agree with this action, yet not but 1 1/2 weeks ago on the same program was saying that Obama has no backbone for waiting so long and referenced Reagan and what a badass he basically was.

        Like I said, Obama can't win for losing so it doesn't matter.
        I agree Cuauht. He handled the situation almost flawlessly. The only thing that I'm not all the way on board with(100%, I'm more like 99% after last night)is circumnavigating congress. But as we found out last night, he didn't completely bypass congress(Which nobody is seeming to pay much attention to), he did confer with some congressmen before returning to the UN with our endorsement. He just cant win for losing in this situation, but I am very pleased with how he's handled it.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Chief2ndzOnly! View Post
          I agree Cuauht. He handled the situation almost flawlessly. The only thing that I'm not all the way on board with(100%, I'm more like 99% after last night)is circumnavigating congress. But as we found out last night, he didn't completely bypass congress(Which nobody is seeming to pay much attention to), he did confer with some congressmen before returning to the UN with our endorsement. He just cant win for losing in this situation, but I am very pleased with how he's handled it.
          Chief, but if he would have put it through Congress and then a week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks pass by and 10,000 people get murdered in cold blood, he would have been crucified in the media, by the right and by the Arab world.

          You know this, I know this. The right is blood thirsty for him, they hate him more than I think I have ever seen any president hated....even Bush. At least people had some sort of reasons to hate Bush, Obama is detested by so many people and most of them when asked why, don't know other than he is a Muslim, terrorist sympathizer, cheater or Socialist.


          It's amazing the criticism that is directed towards him. Could you imagine if someone was to yell at Reagan while he was addressing Congress? Could you imagine people questioning John McCain's birth place and whether he's REALLY an American?

          You and I know the reason Obama is not liked, it comes down to one thing. I don't need to say it, you don't need to say it but we know it very clearly.

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          • #55
            The real question is if you'd rather have a brutal dictator massacre his people while doing nothing. Is that better?

            Originally posted by squealpiggy View Post
            Only a total idiot wouldn't know this already.

            This has nothing to do with oil and everything to do with a leader who was bombing his own civilians.
            Well I think oil is a major player here. Libya has by far the largest oilreserves in Africa, and judging from earlier civil conflicts in Africa, the west stood around doing nothing (Rwanda and others) and they have no oil. Coincidence?

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            • #56
              Originally posted by Chief2ndzOnly! View Post
              You do realize Bahrain is a totally different situation than Libya? If I'm not mistaken, we have troops in Bahrain(Albeit a very small number)as well as a Naval port(5th Fleet which means that the country is of strategic importance to us). Bahrain has been an ally during the war on terrorisim, and is receiving assistance from Saudi Arabia and neigboring countries in straightining out their mess. That situation is more so under control than Libya, in fact I'll go as far as to say it is a miniature Eygpt situation. Or and by your oil logic we should be bombing Bahrain as it does produce a substantial amount of oil. Dont forget that it is also a banking hub. It seems to me your post is more inconsistant than our role in Libya.
              Its a blatant double standards there is more innocent protesters being gunned down in Yemen for example, no one would dream of imposing a no fly zone on Yemen because they have no oil. Its a transparent attempt to protect Weston country's MASSIVE investments in Libya.

              The Bahrain situation is not in control either that's simply untrue. Bahrain is a U.S. backed government and so they approve of them killing their own citizens or at least don't report it in the Weston media.

              BP has £50billion worth of investment in Libya, the truth is we are not intervening in other revolutions but we are in this one because of one word OIL.

              in time, the alert and aware citizen will soon find out whether the real reasons for the war on Libya was indeed to free people from the Gaddafi regime or to install a puppet government in order to access its oil reserves.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
                Chief, but if he would have put it through Congress and then a week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks pass by and 10,000 people get murdered in cold blood, he would have been crucified in the media, by the right and by the Arab world.

                You know this, I know this. The right is blood thirsty for him, they hate him more than I think I have ever seen any president hated....even Bush. At least people had some sort of reasons to hate Bush, Obama is detested by so many people and most of them when asked why, don't know other than he is a Muslim, terrorist sympathizer, cheater or Socialist.


                It's amazing the criticism that is directed towards him. Could you imagine if someone was to yell at Reagan while he was addressing Congress? Could you imagine people questioning John McCain's birth place and whether he's REALLY an American?

                You and I know the reason Obama is not liked, it comes down to one thing. I don't need to say it, you don't need to say it but we know it very clearly.
                Lol. They did question John McCain's citizenship, being that he was born in Panama, as I remember.

                That you think Obama is one tenth as hated as George W Bush is laughable, at best. For every person that thinks Obama can do no right, there are ten idiots that think he can do no wrong.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by Jim Jeffries View Post
                  Lol. They did question John McCain's citizenship, being that he was born in Panama, as I remember.

                  That you think Obama is one tenth as hated as George W Bush is laughable, at best. For every person that thinks Obama can do no right, there are ten idiots that think he can do no wrong.
                  McCain was never questioned the way Obama is, not even close. People speculated he wasn't a citizen because he was born on U.S territory in Panama but there wasn't an entire organization made up to investigate it.

                  As far as the last part, read my post. There is a REASON people hated Bush, he lead the U.S into two illegal wars, got all the intel wrong and we are still paying the price for his cowboy antics.

                  WTF has Obama done to anything close to that? Yet he is hated so much by the left that Rush Limbaugh and everyone at FoxNews takes every opportunity they can to destroy this guy.

                  The same people that were begging for Obama to go into Libya are now the same people condemning his actions....


                  THAT is what is laughable. At least people had legitimate criticism of Bush. Everything in the world is Obama's fault.....all of it. LOL

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by siablo14 View Post
                    no, Lybia was not a present threat to the U.S.A.
                    iraq wasn't either.

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                    • #60
                      Short answer, no.

                      America should have taken care of the two wars already on the credit card before engaging in a potential third quagmire.

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