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  • Pau Gasol and Tim Duncan: Has the Torch of Supremacy Been Passed?

    By Hadarii Jones (Lakers Featured Columnist) on October 2, 2010


    I've never really cared much for San Antonio Spurs forward Tim Duncan, but my dislike has nothing to do with Duncan's amazing talent on the basketball court.

    I'm a big fan of the North Carolina Tar Heels, and for four years I was forced to watch Duncan's Wake Forest Demon Deacons dominate the Heels in his familiar, methodical fashion.

    For one, I could never understand why Duncan, who was just as ready for the NBA in his freshman year, never took his talents to the NBA earlier.

    During the time he was at Wake Forest, which seemed like an eternity, Duncan never seemed to make any huge advancement in his game, yet each season he became even more dominant.

    I found out the reason there was no visible improvement in Duncan's game was because by his sop****re year in college, he was already the most fundamentally skilled big man in all of basketball.

    When watching Duncan it's easy to forget how dominant he truly is, because he makes the game look so simple.

    There's really nothing flashy about Duncan's game, and opponents usually have a pretty good idea of what he's going to do, but they are powerless to stop it.

    Duncan's footwork in the paint was a thing of beauty, and he had the ability to score with either hand, with his back to the basket in the post.

    Duncan was just as good on defense, and his 7'0" frame and athleticism made him a natural rebounder on both ends of the court.

    It's safe to say I was pleased to see Duncan finally leave Wake Forest for the NBA, but in hindsight, I was just entering a different level of torment.

    Duncan arrived to the San Antonio Spurs with the exact same skill set he had in college, and he achieved the same exact results.

    The only thing Duncan has added to his game through his career as far as I can tell is his kiss-the-glass jump shot from the wing, yet he has been consistently dominant.

    No flash, no swagger, no posing.

    Duncan's instincts, and understanding of the game has helped him become arguably the greatest power forward to ever grace the court, and he has the numbers to prove it.

    Duncan is a four-time NBA champion, league MVP, and has averaged 21 points and 11.6 rebounds, while shooting 50 percent from the field over the course of his career.

    However, last season's 17.9 points per game was the lowest of Duncan's career, and evidence that time may be catching up to his game.

    Still, Duncan's numbers placed him among the NBA's top power forwards, but there are whispers that Los Angeles Lakers forward Pau Gasol may have surpassed Duncan as the league's most skilled power forward.

    While Gasol was in Memphis few people would have mentioned his name and Duncan's in the same sentence, but when he was traded to the Lakers, Gasol landed in the perfect situation.

    Gasol was always a very skilled player, but as a Grizzly he was never allowed to explore the true depths of his game, and Kobe Bryant, Phil Jackson, and the triangle offense afforded him that opportunity.

    It turns out that Gasol may be just as fundamentally skilled as Duncan, and there are some areas of his game that are actually better.

    Gasol also has impeccable footwork in the paint, and he too has an array of offensive moves with his back to the basket, but what separates Gasol is his vision and perimeter game.

    Duncan is an above average passer in the post, but Gasol excels in the triangle as a passer, and he is comfortable shooting the ball from at least 17 feet out from the basket.

    Gasol has always reminded me of Duncan as far as each player's skill set goes, but Gasol plays the game with a flair that escapes Duncan.

    Some people would say Duncan's game is so eventual that at times it's boring, but Gasol has no problem adding a little spice to his game with acrobatic spin moves, and passes in the post.

    Many of Gasol's perimeter skills come from the fact that he was late bloomer as a youth and had already developed perimeter talent before his growth spurt hit.

    Gasol's career numbers of 18.8 points per game, nine rebounds and 52 percent shooting are slightly lower than Duncan's, but the fact that his numbers have remained constant as a Laker are impressive.

    Last season Gasol averaged 18.3 points per game and 11.3 rebounds, and was the clear second option behind Bryant who was fourth in the NBA in scoring.

    Gasol shot 53 percent from the field, and had better numbers than Duncan, who was clearly the No. 1 option for the entire 78 regular season games he played.

    I would never compare Duncan and Gasol in an historic context, but it may be safe to say that Gasol has surpassed Duncan as a player right now, and has more time to add to his own growing legacy.

    Gasol has won two NBA championships of his own, and the Lakers have competed in the finals each season since he arrived on the roster.

    There may be more titles down the road for Gasol, and he has grown comfortable in his role as the Lakers leader in the interior.

    Gasol's image as a soft player has slowly receded as people have come to appreciate how talented he truly is, and how much he means to the Lakers' success in the future.

    NBA history will never view Gasol as a better player than Duncan, and rightfully so, but Gasol has carved out his own place among the game's top power forwards right now, and a strong argument can be made that he resides at the top of the list.

  • #2
    You don't have to be a Duncan fan to see that he is a leader. A team leader. Where as Gasol is a role player, a very good one but still a role player.

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    • #3
      If Gasol was as good as a prime Duncan, the Lakers wouldn't have went 7 and needed ref help against the Celts.

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      • #4
        He's a good player, but he didn't even get this much respect in Memphis.

        Now that he plays for the Lakers he's like the best big man in the league?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by QUELOQUE View Post
          If Gasol was as good as a prime Duncan, the Lakers wouldn't have went 7 and needed ref help against the Celts.
          you got it twisted , bud.

          the refs helped the celtics in the finals.

          when the refs call the game normally , celtics got blown out.

          the refs had to swallow the whistles and let celtics grab and foul just to be competitive.

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          • #6
            Fuuuuuuuucccckkkk no!


            I've watched Tim Duncan his entire career, and you just can't compare the two players. Every single year Duncan has lead his team to the playoffs and to championships, WHILE being the DEFENSIVE anchor for the team. You ALWAYS heard about SA's defense, that's because Duncan was such a beast.

            Pau's defense is ****, the only reason LA won this year was because of 19 4th quarter FT's. When Bynum was out in '08, LA was getting *****ed by the Celts because Pau can't defend for ****, you put Duncan on that LA team in '08 and they'd win for sure.

            The last good center Duncan played with was Robinson, Dave wasn't very good, he was way out of his prime in 2003. After that he won championships with guys like Nesterovic, Oberto, Francisco Elson, and Nazr Mohammed who sucked really bad back then. Duncan won playing aside scrubs, he hasn't had a legit center since Mohammed.




            Oh and if you watched the Spurs games last year you would've seen how amazingly well he was playing. Not only was he defending well but he was putting up much better stats than Pau/Dirk in less minutes. Parker was fatigued and fat from playing all summer, McDyess didn't play well until the playoffs, Manu didn't play well until around March, EVERYONE aside from Duncan was playing like ****. Duncan was pretty much carrying the entire Spurs team because of how poorly they were playing, that took a toll on his body towards the end of the season.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Biolink View Post
              He's a good player, but he didn't even get this much respect in Memphis.

              Now that he plays for the Lakers he's like the best big man in the league?
              gasol is a damn good player.

              better than duncan offensively imo.

              but duncan is the better defender , rebounder , leader , etc. and the greater player.

              there's a difference between being the guy the team depends on and just doing enough to give kobe help.


              sometimes i think people overrate gasol just to take credit away from kobe.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                you got it right , bud.

                the refs helped the lakers in the finals.

                when the refs call the game normally , lakers got blown out.

                the refs had to constantly blow the whistles and not let the celtics play defense for it to be competitive.
                Glad we can see eye to eye on this Tua.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by QUELOQUE View Post
                  Glad we can see eye to eye on this Tua.
                  you know it's true.

                  celtics don't have the talent to compete with the lakers.

                  props to them for doing what it takes to make it competitive but they had a lot of help from the refs.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                    you know it's true.

                    celtics don't have the talent to compete with the lakers.

                    props to them for doing what it takes to make it competitive but they had a lot of help from the refs.
                    If the disparity were that big, the series wouldn't have gone 7 regardless of what the Celts did.

                    The foul calling in the 4th quarter of Game 7 was ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. The game was still close until the refs began calling foul after foul on them. They took over the low scoring game and effectively secured the lakers the championship.

                    Rasheed couldn't even be in any game for long stretches because every time he legitimately shutdown Gasol, Pau would flop and get a foul called.

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