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  • ' 2018 US snub of the International Criminal Court[edit]


    In September 2018, the United States threatened to arrest and impose sanctions on International Criminal Court (ICC) judges and other officials if they charged any US soldiers who served in Afghanistan with war crimes.[86] The US further stated it would not cooperate with the ICC if it carried out an investigation into allegations of war crimes by the US in Afghanistan.[87] On 12 April 2019 a panel of ICC judges decided not to open an investigation regarding Afghanistan. The Court's chief prosecutor Fatou Bensouda provided a report that established "a reasonable basis" that crimes had been committed, but they decided against continuing because the US and other parties would not cooperate.[88][89] In March 2020, senior judges at the ICC called for the investigation into war crimes by the US, Afghan and Taliban troops in Afghanistan, overturning the previous rejection of a probe into the US’ role in committing war crimes.[90]'

    Kris Silver

    you want me to keep going?

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    • The Kill Team: How U.S. Soldiers in Afghanistan Murdered Innocent Civilians




      'The poppy plants were still low to the ground at that time of year. The two soldiers, Cpl. Jeremy Morlock and Pfc. Andrew Holmes, saw a young farmer who was working by himself among the spiky shoots. Off in the distance, a few other soldiers stood sentry. But the farmer was the only Afghan in sight. With no one around to witness, the timing was right. And just like that, they picked him for execution.

      He was a smooth-faced kid, about 15 years old. Not much younger than they were: Morlock was 21, Holmes was 19. His name, they would later learn, was Gul Mudin, a common name in Afghanistan. He was wearing a little cap and a Western-style green jacket. He held nothing in his hand that could be interpreted as a weapon, not even a shovel. The expression on his face was welcoming. “He was not a threat,” Morlock later confessed.

      Morlock and Holmes called to him in Pashto as he walked toward them, ordering him to stop. The boy did as he was told. He stood still.

      The soldiers knelt down behind a mud-brick wall. Then Morlock tossed a grenade toward Mudin, using the wall as cover. As the grenade exploded, he and Holmes opened fire, shooting the boy repeatedly at close range with an M4 carbine and a machine gun.

      Mudin buckled, went down face first onto the ground. His cap toppled off. A pool of blood congealed by his head.....

      Then, in a break with protocol, the soldiers began taking photographs of themselves celebrating their kill. Holding a cigarette rakishly in one hand, Holmes posed for the camera with Mudin’s bloody and half-naked corpse, grabbing the boy’s head by the hair as if it were a trophy deer. Morlock made sure to get a similar memento.

      No one seemed more pleased by the kill than Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs, the platoon’s popular and hard-charging squad leader. “It was like another day at the office for him,” one soldier recalls. Gibbs started “messing around with the kid,” moving his arms and mouth and “acting like the kid was talking.” Then, using a pair of razor-sharp medic’s shears, he reportedly sliced off the dead boy’s pinky finger and gave it to Holmes, as a trophy for killing his first Afghan.'

      https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ilians-169793/

      Kris Silver

      these are the good guys?
      Last edited by Prince Madison; 03-28-2024, 05:59 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Prince Madison View Post
        ' 2018 US snub of the International Criminal Court[edit]


        In September 2018, the United States threatened to arrest and impose sanctions on International Criminal Court (ICC) judges and other officials if they charged any US soldiers who served in Afghanistan with war crimes.[86] The US further stated it would not cooperate with the ICC if it carried out an investigation into allegations of war crimes by the US in Afghanistan.[87] On 12 April 2019 a panel of ICC judges decided not to open an investigation regarding Afghanistan. The Court's chief prosecutor Fatou Bensouda provided a report that established "a reasonable basis" that crimes had been committed, but they decided against continuing because the US and other parties would not cooperate.[88][89] In March 2020, senior judges at the ICC called for the investigation into war crimes by the US, Afghan and Taliban troops in Afghanistan, overturning the previous rejection of a probe into the US’ role in committing war crimes.[90]'

        Kris Silver

        you want me to keep going?

        You forgot to invite BattlingNelson who thinks international law can do anything to governments

        They cant

        there’s no military that enforces international law

        no one will go to war over breaking international law

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        • Originally posted by Prince Madison View Post
          the west have committed war crimes... america bombed a hospital and a wedding not that long ago
          Does this somehow negate the atrocities Russia committed in Ukraine?

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          • Originally posted by Vlad_ View Post
            Does this somehow negate the atrocities Russia committed in Ukraine?
            no but it makes kris's 'good v evil' narrative look ridiculous, guy acts like america is some knight in shining armor always fighting the good fight, they get their hands dirty just as much as russia if not more, threatening to arrest and sanction those who were looking into american war crimes ffs... hardly good is it

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            • Originally posted by Prince Madison View Post

              no but it makes kris's 'good v evil' narrative look ridiculous, guy acts like america is some knight in shining armor always fighting the good fight, they get their hands dirty just as much as russia if not more, threatening to arrest and sanction those who were looking into american war crimes ffs... hardly good is it
              I broke it down more simply, for simple minds.

              Course then you twist it other ways, as you always do.

              I'll give you credit though, you actually have researched and outlaid some sources of American cruel acts.

              As I say, no they are not 100% good. Granted. Name a world's country or military that is 100% good, including all it's hundreds of thousands of men.

              Does that mean the US, UK, European countries have licence to, and may aswell just invade any country, murder and terrorise their people, take over their lands and peoples as our own?

              If there's zero difference and they are all exactly the same.

              Of course, they're not though.

              As mentioned. Black and white thinking is foolish.

              If a company and it's managers are found by numerous observers to have systematically abused children.

              Finding another company whereby some of the staff have sometimes hit children, does not make it the same thing, with both the companies exactly the same.

              It may seem a small difference, but its the kind of nuance that's huge and seems lost on you, Madison.
              Last edited by Kris Silver; 03-28-2024, 06:28 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Kris Silver View Post

                I broke it down more simply, for simple minds.

                Course then you twist it other ways, as you always do.

                I'll give you credit though, you actually have researched and outlaid some sources of American cruel acts.

                As I say, no they are not 100% good. Granted. Name a world's country or military that is 100% good, including all it's hundreds of thousands of men.

                Does that mean the US, UK, European countries have licence to, and may aswell just invade any country, murder and terrorise their people, take over their lands and peoples as our own?

                If there's zero difference and they are all exactly the same.

                Of course, they're not though.

                As mentioned. Black and white thinking is foolish.
                there isnt, but this is my point, all the things you accuse russia of, the west have done too... jim raynor and battling nelson have been calling the russians orcs and saying putin is a monster
                Batko10 Batko10 likes this.

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                • Originally posted by Prince Madison View Post

                  there isnt, but this is my point, all the things you accuse russia of, the west have done too... jim raynor and battling nelson have been calling the russians orcs and saying putin is a monster
                  Existence of something occurring elsewhere isn't then a conclusion they are exactly the same. That's a fools conclusion.

                  If school A is found by neutral observers to systematically from the top management structures and above, be abusing kids.

                  Occurrences of some teachers at school B abusing a few kids in some years, isn't then a conclusion they are exactly the same.

                  This is such an obvious notion and logic to most people, that again, just seems to be totally lost on you.

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                  • Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
                    the US illegally bombed Laos during the Vietnam War

                    you know who’s cleaning that mess up and bringing Laos forward with infrastructure investments?

                    Bad Man China

                    It was either Iraq or Afghanistan where the US caused a higher % of child deaths than Russia in natoKraine

                    Not to mention the Iraq War which was started with the fakest pretenses
                    America always justifies our actions.
                    Just like Israel

                    I am anti war, but some belligerent countries just buy weapons and don’t feed their poor



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                    • Originally posted by Kris Silver View Post

                      Existence of something occurring elsewhere isn't then a conclusion they are exactly the same. That's a fools conclusion.

                      If school A is found by neutral observers to systematically from the top management structures and above, be abusing kids.

                      Occurrences of some teachers at school B abusing a few kids in some years, isn't then a conclusion they are exactly the same.

                      This is such an obvious notion and logic to most people, that again, just seems to be totally lost on you.
                      America turns a blind eye and ignored suffering

                      Are you American?

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