Russia says 60 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid; Islamic State group claims responsibility

[Hous]

We've given them Abrams tanks.
We've given them F-16 jet fighters.
We've given them Javelin anti-tank missiles.

So right off the top we've given them some of our top-of-the line tanks, some of our best jet fighters, and our best infantry-launched anti-tank weapons. And we all know that's the tip of the iceberg. How many BILLIONS have we given those people so far???

I dont know why you warhawks have to keep lying when arguing as to why we should get ourselves involved in your war.



What weapons has the US given Ukraine - and how much do they help? (bbc.com)

We gave Ukraine 31 of our old M1A1's that were manufactured over 40 years ago. They are still fantastic MBT's, but they are not our best by any means. We have multiple newer versions of the M1 Abrams that have not been given to Ukraine. The M1A1 is not America's top-of-the-line tank by any means.

Ukraine doesn't have any F-16s yet, and the USA has not announced that its giving any to Ukraine as far as I know. It is a 50-year aircraft, but a GOAT fighter aircraft that will be reliable against any force. The F-16 is not America's top fighter jet.

Javelins are defensive weapons that wrecked Russian MBTs. Its pretty remarkable how well Ukraine used not only the American Javelin but other Democracies anti-tank weapons.

So, no, Ukraine has not been given America's top-of-the-line weapons. They've been given mostly retiring or aging out equipment that wasn't being used and was coming due to be replaced anyways. It turns out that rations of America's cold war armaments (that wasn't been scrapped) was enough to stop Russia modernized army. Go figure.

[Vlad_]

We gave Ukraine 31 of our old M1A1's that were manufactured over 40 years ago. They are still fantastic MBT's, but they are not our best by any means. We have multiple newer versions of the M1 Abrams that have not been given to Ukraine. The M1A1 is not America's top-of-the-line tank by any means.

Ukraine doesn't have any F-16s yet, and the USA has not announced that its giving any to Ukraine as far as I know. It is a 50-year aircraft, but a GOAT fighter aircraft that will be reliable against any force. The F-16 is not America's top fighter jet.

Javelins are defensive weapons that wrecked Russian MBTs. Its pretty remarkable how well Ukraine used not only the American Javelin but other Democracies anti-tank weapons.

So, no, Ukraine has not been given America's top-of-the-line weapons. They've been given mostly retiring or aging out equipment that wasn't being used and was coming due to be replaced anyways. It turns out that rations of America's cold war armaments (that wasn't been scrapped) was enough to stop Russia modernized army. Go figure.

Don't expect a smart reply.

[Zaroku]

It vey they terrorists are enduring pain

not sure what they were trying to achieve?

But now, they best be praying for death

[fifth_root]

1. The US and other countries sent billions in military aid, but this was all old weapons - old, but extremely expensive
2. Russia is helped by North Korea, China and Iran - seems like they do good stuff
3. Russians aren't that strong, but for some reason, NATO simply doesn't dare to go along with Ukraine and overpower Russia, even when according to "Democracies" media, Russia lost over 100,000 soldiers, maybe 400,000, while Zelensky claims Ukraine lost only 32,000
4. Russians fight as savages, yet the number of civilians that died in Ukraine in 25 months is less than the civilians the Israelis killed in 5 months - who is the savage?

Makes sense, yeah...

[GrandpaBernard]

We gave Ukraine 31 of our old M1A1's that were manufactured over 40 years ago. They are still fantastic MBT's, but they are not our best by any means. We have multiple newer versions of the M1 Abrams that have not been given to Ukraine. The M1A1 is not America's top-of-the-line tank by any means.

Ukraine doesn't have any F-16s yet, and the USA has not announced that its giving any to Ukraine as far as I know. It is a 50-year aircraft, but a GOAT fighter aircraft that will be reliable against any force. The F-16 is not America's top fighter jet.

Javelins are defensive weapons that wrecked Russian MBTs. Its pretty remarkable how well Ukraine used not only the American Javelin but other Democracies anti-tank weapons.

So, no, Ukraine has not been given America's top-of-the-line weapons. They've been given mostly retiring or aging out equipment that wasn't being used and was coming due to be replaced anyways. It turns out that rations of America's cold war armaments (that wasn't been scrapped) was enough to stop Russia modernized army. Go figure.

regurgitators fool themselves as they parrot info without thought

American junk dubbed game changers helped Ukraine lose more land in its failed summer offensive

2024 UA withers away on the defensive with American game changers as more cities fall

UA offense has been destroyed. It can’t take back land and can’t win

Now the Russian Empire is grinding away UA’s defense until it collapses and is forced to capitulate

America has inadequate supplies for warring with Russia. American manufacturing is geared towards light conflicts with Broke Muslims, who the US still loses wars against

And UA cannot replace its hundreds of thousands of dead troops

UA will have neither the maintenance and logistics nor quantity for any F16s to change the tide

American birds will be blown out of the sky with their Polish pilots taken prisoners of war

[Prince Madison]

We gave Ukraine 31 of our old M1A1's that were manufactured over 40 years ago. They are still fantastic MBT's, but they are not our best by any means. We have multiple newer versions of the M1 Abrams that have not been given to Ukraine. The M1A1 is not America's top-of-the-line tank by any means.

Ukraine doesn't have any F-16s yet, and the USA has not announced that its giving any to Ukraine as far as I know. It is a 50-year aircraft, but a GOAT fighter aircraft that will be reliable against any force. The F-16 is not America's top fighter jet.

Javelins are defensive weapons that wrecked Russian MBTs. Its pretty remarkable how well Ukraine used not only the American Javelin but other Democracies anti-tank weapons.

So, no, Ukraine has not been given America's top-of-the-line weapons. They've been given mostly retiring or aging out equipment that wasn't being used and was coming due to be replaced anyways. It turns out that rations of America's cold war armaments (that wasn't been scrapped) was enough to stop Russia modernized army. Go figure.

This has all been debunked in the master thread

[GrandpaBernard]

1. The US and other countries sent billions in military aid, but this was all old weapons - old, but extremely expensive
2. Russia is helped by North Korea, China and Iran - seems like they do good stuff
3. Russians aren't that strong, but for some reason, NATO simply doesn't dare to go along with Ukraine and overpower Russia, even when according to "Democracies" media, Russia lost over 100,000 soldiers, maybe 400,000, while Zelensky claims Ukraine lost only 32,000
4. Russians fight as savages, yet the number of civilians that died in Ukraine in 25 months is less than the civilians the Israelis killed in 5 months - who is the savage?

Makes sense, yeah...

yep

Middle class Americans always the most delusional and completely brainwashed

Rich Americans need to live in reality to stay at the top

Poor Americans need to live in reality to survive

1) US weapons are way overpriced because its MIC is for profits first. They aren’t made to be cheap and reliable

2) At what extent is China helping Russia militarily? Nevertheless 35 countries collectively can’t match the amount of artillery that Russia has. America has a wasteful military budget along with the West

3) France’s granny fooker macron had the idea to send troops into UA to protect Odessa lol. An unwitting admission that UA can’t stop Russia winning

4) War will end with approximately half a million dead Ukrainians. This includes old conscripts who should be playing with their grandchildren. This includes dead female soldiers. That’s how dire the situation is for UA

It would take at least 2 decades to replenish the amount of loss in UA manpower

[1bad65]

We gave Ukraine 31 of our old M1A1's that were manufactured over 40 years ago. They are still fantastic MBT's, but they are not our best by any means. We have multiple newer versions of the M1 Abrams that have not been given to Ukraine. The M1A1 is not America's top-of-the-line tank by any means.

Ukraine doesn't have any F-16s yet, and the USA has not announced that its giving any to Ukraine as far as I know. It is a 50-year aircraft, but a GOAT fighter aircraft that will be reliable against any force. The F-16 is not America's top fighter jet.

Javelins are defensive weapons that wrecked Russian MBTs. Its pretty remarkable how well Ukraine used not only the American Javelin but other Democracies anti-tank weapons.

So, no, Ukraine has not been given America's top-of-the-line weapons. They've been given mostly retiring or aging out equipment that wasn't being used and was coming due to be replaced anyways. It turns out that rations of America's cold war armaments (that wasn't been scrapped) was enough to stop Russia modernized army. Go figure.

Stop gaslighting.


We have given them top-of-the line tanks, just as I said. It makes no sense when they were manufactured, they are still top-of-the-line. And speaking of that, you first said we're giving them 60-year-old weapons, now you've moved that goalpost and are saying 40-year-old weapons. Which is it??

We have given them F-16s. They are still training on them, but we have given them F-16s. Which are excellent aircraft.
Ukraine Reveals Timeframe for F-16s' Arrival to the Front (newsweek.com)

I see you couldn't refute my claim about Javelins being excellent, modern weaponry, though you tried to obfuscate around that fact.


And again, that's just the tip of the iceberg. We've given those beggars BILLIONS in other armaments as well. They even sent one of their many Nazi war criminals over here to beg for even more money.

I guess I must ask, since you're obviously cheerleading for this war, when you will be going over to Ukraine to fight in it. Your hero Zelensky is begging for foreign fighters, going so far as to call for "all" to come and fight. When is your flight to Ukraine, or are you one of those chickenhawks who calls for others to fight wars you cheer on from behind a computer screen?

[1bad65]

...

You're still ducking my simple question.

Here it is, once again....

Why must we send Ukraine billions of American tax dollars to fight a country that does not have a "capable military"?

[1bad65]

Don't expect a smart reply.

Ma'am, please stop.

You're embarrassing yourself at this point. You have let it, and me, go. You're like an annoying woman who got dumped, so she's telling all the other women how horrible the guy is, all while you're begging that man for more time with him.

And you're wrong, again.