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  • GrandpaBernard
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    Originally posted by Hous View Post

    USA limited industrial base? Boy, what are you smoking? The executive can literally empanel any manufacturer in the country to make whatever it wants if it needs to. You're dealing with a prime USA, the undisputed and P4P champ of quality armaments.

    On the other hand, I'm glad you posted the embarrassing chronology of Russia's disastrous and failed invasion of Ukraine as we enter this third year of the intended three day invasion. Folks are paying in blood for that miscalculation.


    the US military is suffering a recruitment criss and manpower shortage

    This is a pass prime USA. Prime USA was post-ww2 to 2010

    the US deindustrailized under the Reagan years. Hyper capitalists offshored manufacturing

    CHINA is the world's manufacturing powerhouse

    Slaving away in a crusty azz law office all day hasn't given you much knowledge of the world.

    The government can demand all it wants. Manufacturers can only cough up so much

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  • Batko10
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    Tucker Carlson Uncensored:

    Ukraine is Not a Democracy - The Persecution of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church



    EPISODE DETAILS

    Bob Amsterdam is an international human rights lawyer who’s been banned from Russia by Vladimir Putin. He says Ukraine is the single most repressive country he’s been to. “The idea it’s a democracy is a farce.” Once again, they’re lying to you and making you pay for it.

    READ THE TRANSCRIPT
    Tucker [00:00:00] On Saturday, the House of Representatives, the legislative body that writes the laws for a bankrupt country, approved $95 billion in American tax dollars in foreign aid to Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan. Taiwan, by the way, happens to be one of the richest countries in the world. That package, that spending package passed overwhelmingly 316 to 94. So let's narrow out a piece of it.

    That would be the $61 billion that went to Ukraine. Now, so far, Congress has given the Ukrainian government nearly $174 billion in munitions and so-called aid. Then you add another $60 billion that Joe Biden gave to Zelensky and the total is over $230 billion. And that's just the money that was publicly appropriated that we can account for. There's a lot more than that. So let's take a look at what's in the package that just passed on Saturday, that the bankrupt country sent across the world to the Ukrainian government.

    There's 14 billion to purchase weapons. There's 15 billion for military training and intelligence sharing. Since the US Intel agencies are running the Ukrainian Intel agencies, even as they assassinate people. Then there's $8 billion for the Ukrainian government. It's pensions for its bureaucrats, $8 billion for its pensions. And then there's $300 million to help Ukraine secure its border, none to secure our border. $300 million to help Ukraine secure its border. Just so the priorities are clear. That's all real. Before the vote, Nancy Pelosi went on the House floor to demand that her colleagues keep the money flowing to Zelensky. If you vote any other way, you're somehow for rape.

    Watch:
    News Soundbite [00:01:41]
    I hope that our colleagues will choose democracy and decency rather than autocracy and evil. Because I fear that if you choose the Putin route, you will have blood on your hands. Blood of the children, blood of their mothers. Raped in front of their parents raped in front of their children.

    Tucker [00:02:00] Yeah. Vote for this or you have blood on your hands. And by the way, that's a person who's gotten stupendously rich, you wonder how while, serving in the United States Congress. But she's not sending any of her own money to Ukraine. She's sending your money to Ukraine.

    So alongside this, the House advanced legislation that would allow Biden to place frozen Russian assets in a special slush fund specifically for Ukraine. There'd be $8 billion worth of material the U.S. government just stole from Russian citizens without a trial. We don't like you. We're taking it. That money currently sits in U.S. bank accounts. And it's possible not to be cynical that all of this money is being sent to Ukraine because it's much easier for our ruling class to steal once it's offshore.

    So the bottom line here is that we are at war with Russia, and we're doing so on behalf of Ukraine. Now why are we doing this? There are several emergencies unfolding in the United States, economic and indeed military. We're being invaded. But you should not worry about this, says Congressman Gerry Connolly of Virginia, because we're not actually sending money to a foreign country. Ukraine is America.

    Watch:
    News Soundbite [00:03:13]
    And today, we cannot disappoint those who seek what we have: freedom. The freedom to self-determine. The freedom to decide their sovereignty and their alliances and their form of government. Some say, well, we have to deal with our border first. The Ukrainian-Russian border is our border.

    Tucker [00:03:39] Right. A democracy that canceled elections. Okay. But after the vote passed, overwhelmingly members of Congress showed just how closely we are now aligned with Ukraine by waving and cheering and displaying the flags of a foreign government inside the Congress.

    Watch
    SOT3 - Congress/Ukraine Flags [00:04:03] *chanting and cheering*

    Tucker [00:04:17] Oh, they love Ukraine. But do they really love Ukraine? Ask any person in that room. How many Ukrainian people, how many soldiers, how many civilians, how many Ukrainians have died in the war that you are paying for? And not one of them can answer the question. They don't know how many Ukrainians have died. They have no idea because they don't care. That's how much they love the Ukrainians.

    So maybe it's not really about Ukraine. And if you're wondering. Take a look at a tweet, a statement sent out by a man called Nate McMurray. He's a Democrat from New York now running for Congress. And he wrote this. Slava, Ukraine. Die MAGA die. You lose. In other words, maybe the real enemy is not the Russian government. Maybe it's you.

    But it wasn't the Democrats who made this possible. It was the Republican speaker of the House, Mike Johnson of Louisiana. And he forced this spending bill through. He allowed it to come to a vote because he says he is a Christian and his Christian faith requires that, requires funding war. After the vote, Mike Johnson was a little more specific about why he did it.

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    Mike Johnson Soundbite [00:05:23]
    Three of our primary adversaries, Russia and Iran and China, are working together, and they're being aggressors around the globe, and they're a global threat to our prosperity and our security. Their advance threatens the free world, and it demands American leadership. If we turn our backs right now, the consequences could be devastating. So this afternoon, the House acted and we sent over to the Senate, and it will be transmitted shortly, our supplemental national security legislation. I said it very simply. I'll say it once again. It's an old military adage, but we would rather send bullets to the conflict overseas than our own boys, our troops. And I think this is an important moment, an important opportunity to make that decision. We allowed the House to do that, and I expect the Senate will make the same decision.

    Tucker [00:06:11] Every word a lie. Of course, we've already sent troops there, American soldiers in Ukraine right now and more on the way today. We are in a hot war with Russia. And they're going to tell you that in stages, not all at once. So where's Zelensky as all of this is going on. Well, it shouldn't surprise you. He's not on the front lines. He's on American television laughing in your face. Here he is on NBC right after the vote. Listen carefully to this. Zelensky says American taxpayers should be grateful to send hundreds of billions of dollars from their bankrupt country that is currently being invaded to his country, where the money is being stolen. That's just the price of protecting democracy.

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    News Soundbite
    [00:06:50]
    How long should Americans be expected to fund the war in Ukraine? Americans who feel understood, they know the Americans are not funding the war in Ukraine. They say you should solve this. And foremost, protect freedom and democracy all over Europe. And Ukraine is fighting and Ukraine is sending its best sons and daughters to the frontline. And this reduces the price for all Europe, for all NATO. It reduces the price for everyone, including the US.

    Tucker [00:07:35] Yeah. So we're funding freedom and democracy when we send hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine. Now, of course, if we were defending democracy, we would ask the American people what they think. And if a majority of them oppose this, we wouldn't do it, because that's the fundamental democratic principle. You serve the people, you rule because it's their country and they're in charge. But of course, that's not at all what's happening. And it does raise the question once again, if we're defending democracy in Ukraine, is Ukraine a democracy, a country that canceled its presidential elections?

    Well, let's see, in Ukraine right now, tonight, Christians are being persecuted by the state we're paying for, for the crime of belonging to the wrong religion. Priests are getting thrown in jail. Churches are being seized by the government. Your tax dollars, $60 billion more, thanks to Mike Johnson, are funding, all of this. So it's very hard to get information about what is actually happening in Ukraine because the big media outlets lie about a deciduously and have for more than two years.

    But one of the most reliable and honest voices on this question is a man called Bob Amsterdam. A little background on Bob Amsterdam. He is a lawyer. He represents the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. He is not a Ukrainian Orthodox Christian. He is, in fact, Jewish. I think he's probably pretty liberal. He's not pro-Russia. He is, in fact, banned from going to Russia. A couple of his friends were murdered in Russia. He is not acting on behalf of the Russian government or even for faith reasons, Ukrainian Orthodox Church. He is one of the rare American attorneys who believes still, even in 2024, that human rights are worth protecting. Telling the truth is important, and he has returned in the last month from Ukraine, and we thought it'd be worth asking him what's it actually like there? We are honored to have once again, Bob Amsterdam.

    Bob, thanks so much for coming on. So, give us, I'll stand back and allow you to give us the overview of what is happening in Ukraine right now. ....
    Last edited by Batko10; 04-22-2024, 05:20 PM.

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  • Hous
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    Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
    a third will be allocated for the US to manufacture armaments

    only a portion of what gets produced will be drip-fed into UA

    the US has a limited industrial base

    and will stockpile a reserve in case of CHINA

    UA is still ultimately left with a supply shortage

    Offensives that used to take 6 months to prepare now require a year to ready

    In 2022 UA lost a buncha land, most of its trade routes via coastlines, and Mariupol

    In 2023 UA lost its Fortress Bakhmut

    In 2024 UA lost its better defenses fortress Avdiivka
    USA limited industrial base? Boy, what are you smoking? The executive can literally empanel any manufacturer in the country to make whatever it wants if it needs to. You're dealing with a prime USA, the undisputed and P4P champ of quality armaments.

    On the other hand, I'm glad you posted the embarrassing chronology of Russia's disastrous and failed invasion of Ukraine as we enter this third year of the intended three day invasion. Folks are paying in blood for that miscalculation.
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  • GrandpaBernard
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    Originally posted by Prince Madison View Post

    a lot of the money wont even make it to the frontline
    a third will be allocated for the US to manufacture armaments

    only a portion of what gets produced will be drip-fed into UA

    the US has a limited industrial base

    and will stockpile a reserve in case of CHINA

    UA is still ultimately left with a supply shortage

    Offensives that used to take 6 months to prepare now require a year to ready

    In 2022 UA lost a buncha land, most of its trade routes via coastlines, and Mariupol

    In 2023 UA lost its Fortress Bakhmut

    In 2024 UA lost its better defenses fortress Avdiivka

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  • Prince Madison
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    Originally posted by Hous View Post
    Pray for all the Russian troops about to be on the business end of $61B Freedom Bucks.
    a lot of the money wont even make it to the frontline

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  • Hous
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    Pray for all the Russian troops about to be on the business end of $61B Freedom Bucks.

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  • Prince Madison
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    polish man arrested for plotting to assassinate zelensky

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68848317

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  • GrandpaBernard
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    Originally posted by Prince Madison View Post

    im saying they may be better off as part of russia, its difficult for them to be worse off as they were the sewer of europe.... read that russia have been bulding nice flats etc, doesnt seem to be much unrest in the areas that russia have occupied?
    these tiny former Soviet villages all have a better quality of life than UA:

    Estonia
    Latvia
    Lithuania

    UA is also underperforming an outright dictatorship Belarus. A Russian colony

    UA is a mismanaged mess. Too busy selling its population out as its leaders juggled between Western bribes and Russian bribes
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  • GrandpaBernard
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    Originally posted by Szef View Post
    NATO letting Russia occupy the Baltics for 180 days was a horrendous plan, it's a fact.

    The main problem was the Suwałki gap.

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    But that was before NATO's border with Russia expanded by over 1000 kilometers when Finland and Sweden joined the alliance.

    Which makes the Suwałki gap a non issue now.

    You independent thinkers keep lapping on the propaganda though.
    Finland’s woods and lakes makes it the crappiest geography in the world for striking Russia

    clueless conformists szef throwing figures around like 1000 km with zero context

    Napoleonic France and the Nazis both attacked Russia using the East Euro Plains and went through present day Poland

    the burden of the baltics would be on the Poles not the Finns. That’s if Poland could get through the Russian colony Belarus

    szef ready to see his brothers the Russians. Poles are one religious sect away from being Russian
    Last edited by GrandpaBernard; 04-22-2024, 01:37 PM.

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  • Prince Madison
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    Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post

    You do realise that lesser countries has been accepted in the EU with properity to follow right?
    im saying they may be better off as part of russia, its difficult for them to be worse off as they were the sewer of europe.... read that russia have been bulding nice flats etc, doesnt seem to be much unrest in the areas that russia have occupied?

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