Why are you against Socialism?

[Run]

As for pure socialism in the form of communism, people often misunderstand that true marxism has never been implemented. people need to read up on Das Kapital, The COmmunist Manifesto and Engels works to understand the fact that it is reliant on the three epochs. Countries such as China, Soveit Union, Cuba, Vietnam, N Korea went straight from feudalism to communism without going through the necessary middle epoch that generates the cash to distribute: capitalism! If a Capitalist country distributed the wealth, then everyone would be rich! Hwoever, George Orwerll has a point in his book Animal Farm. 'Fat pigs' will always skank the sytem and make communism into a con! A balance would be best like they have in Western Europe.

I like how you borrowed Marx and Engels theories and use them here.

Honestly just stop.

This is the most pretentious thread I've ever read.



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[boxstarr]

It is completely relevant to socialism today.

It is a philosophy founded out of hatred.

Every time is has been practiced, it has been practiced as it was originally laid out; as a philosophy of violent oppression.

To support the notion that the intents of an idea have no bearing on the practice of an idea is ludicrous.

And for anyone that is stupid enough to try and argue that "On the Jewish Question" was not an anti-semitic hate speech, here is a quote from the paper.



No... Karl Marx didn't come up with socialism as a means to rid the world of Jews... wait... yes he did.

you do realise that the reason the ideology exists today is that it has never yet been put into practice as Marx suggested? thats why i can never get socialists to accept failures in china and the ussr as being symptomatic of inherent ideological weakness

[!! Shawn]

you do realise that the reason the ideology exists today is that it has never yet been put into practice as Marx suggested? thats why i can never get socialists to accept failures in china and the ussr as being symptomatic of inherent ideological weakness

And what does that tell you?

[ILLuminato]

you do realise that the reason the ideology exists today is that it has never yet been put into practice as Marx suggested? thats why i can never get socialists to accept failures in china and the ussr as being symptomatic of inherent ideological weakness

And Cuba too.

Socialism just doesn't work. A lot of people tell me, well what about the poor, don't you feel bad?......yet they never ask DOES THIS WORK? No, it doesn't. It's putting the finger in the ***e, no pun intended

[!! Shawn]

[B]
Show me some hard facts and evidence of this and I'll donate all of my points.

No problem

Karl Marx wrote: Let us not seek the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us seek the secret of the religion in the real Jew. What is the profane basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money.

Very well: then in emancipating itself from huckstering and money, and thus from real and practical Judaism, our age would emancipate itself.

An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions and thus the very possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible. His religious consciousness would evaporate like some insipid vapour in the real, life-giving air of society . . .

Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, as is every pope by a Jesuit. In truth, the cravings of oppressors would be hopeless, and the practicability of war out of the question, if there were not an army of Jesuits to smother thought and a handful of Jews to ransack pockets.


… the real work is done by the Jews, and can only be done by them, as they monopolize the machinery of the loanmongering mysteries by concentrating their energies upon the barter trade in securities… Here and there and everywhere that a little capital courts investment, there is ever one of these little Jews ready to make a little suggestion or place a little bit of a loan. The smartest highwayman in the Abruzzi is not better posted up about the locale of the hard cash in a traveler’s valise or pocket than those Jews about any loose capital in the hands of a trader… The language spoken smells strongly of Babel, and the perfume which otherwise pervades the place is by no means of a choice kind.


… Thus do these loans, which are a curse to the people, a ruin to the holders, and a danger to the governments, become a blessing to the houses of the children of Judah. This Jew organization of loan-mongers is as dangerous to the people as the aristocratic organization of landowners… The fortunes amassed by these loan-mongers are immense, but the wrongs and sufferings thus entailed on the people and the encouragement thus afforded to their oppressors still remain to be told.


… The fact that 1855 years ago Christ drove the Jewish moneychangers out of the temple, and that the moneychangers of our age enlisted on the side of tyranny happen again chiefly to be Jews, is perhaps no more than a historical coincidence. The loan-mongering Jews of Europe do only on a larger and more obnoxious scale what many others do on one smaller and less significant. But it is only because the Jews are so strong that it is timely and expedient to expose and stigmatize their organization.

What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.

Not anti-semitic at all...

Now about those points...

[Run]

Why are you guys preaching Marxism?

It's a total conformist's guide to centralized wealth, centered around theories formed in opposition to pure Capitalism. It has nothing to do with Communism in theory because State controlled finance is a facet of theo-communism.



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[ИATAS]

list your sources please. It looks to be a copy & paste job //www.stoptheaclu.com

And you ignored my post about jewish marxists/communists/albert einstein

[Run]

Marxism doesn't work when these Gansta rappers spend 200K on a Watch.

End of story.



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[ИATAS]

Marxism doesn't work when these Gansta rappers spend 200K on a Watch.

End of story.

wtf? gangsta rappers couldn't spend 200k in a truly communist society in the first place, so your point is pretty stupid.

[Run]

wtf? gangsta rappers couldn't spend 200k in a truly communist society in the first place, so your point is pretty stupid.

What does communism have to do with Marxism?

That's my point.

It seems like people are deciding to use Marxist theory in defense of Communism which is built around State control.

Actually.......every single point you've made has been "stupid".



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