Why are you against Socialism?

[!! Shawn]

So you refuse to answer the question? To me that shows you know you're wrong.

I refuse to answer the question because you didn't ask one.

You quoted the dictionary. That is not a question. I never said anything about statelessness. You are arguing trivialities because you can't win on substantiative ideas.

If you want to make valid points, I'll be happy to respond, but you stopped doing that long ago.

[!! Shawn]

The transition period from capitalism to communism is refered to as socialism. The dictatorship of the proletariat, do you know what that means? A workers state, i.e. the workers would have complete control democratically.



There wasn't a true dictatorship of the proletariat. I already provided several links explaining how a bureaucracy and stalin seized power in russia. I'm sorry you didn't check them out...

Thanks. Thats exactly what we have been saying. It will never happen because destroying the ruling class only creates a void of power that is quickly filled by violent dictators.

[ИATAS]

I refuse to answer the question because you didn't ask one.

Really? So when I said, "Is a truly communist society stateless or not?" that wasn't asking you a direct question?

I never said anything about statelessness.

LOL, go back and read your own post. You were talking about Japan as being a good example. I pointed out it wasn't communist and it's not a valid example because in a truly communist society there is no state or government. I don't understand why that's so difficult.

[ИATAS]

Thanks. Thats exactly what we have been saying. It will never happen because destroying the ruling class only creates a void of power that is quickly filled by violent dictators.

You didn't even read the links.

And the idea is to have the power in the hands of the people, there shouldn't be a "void of power."

[!! Shawn]

Really? So when I said, "Is a truly communist society stateless or not?" that wasn't asking you a direct question?



LOL, go back and read your own post. You were talking about Japan as being a good example. I pointed out it wasn't communist and it's not a valid example because in a truly communist society there is no state or government. I don't understand why that's so difficult.

Japan was never communist either. You completely missed the point of demonstrating a large scale concept using smaller scale concepts.

You made the absurd claim that a communist country is more innovative than a capitalist country, and I provided a direct example of how government intervention not only missed the boat, but tanked their economy.

Not to mention your assertion that a country can be communist completely violates your sacred concept of statelessness.

[ILLuminato]

Really? So when I said, "Is a truly communist society stateless or not?" that wasn't asking you a direct question?



LOL, go back and read your own post. You were talking about Japan as being a good example. I pointed out it wasn't communist and it's not a valid example because in a truly communist society there is no state or government. I don't understand why that's so difficult.

Japan isnt REALLY a communist country. It is just heavily socialist which might as well be the same thing....you're simply never going to have a stateless communist government. That would be like the tribes in Africa which kill each other all the time

[BmoreBrawler]

The transition period from capitalism to communism is refered to as socialism. The dictatorship of the proletariat, do you know what that means? A workers state, i.e. the workers would have complete control democratically.



There wasn't a true dictatorship of the proletariat. I already provided several links explaining how a bureaucracy and stalin seized power in russia. I'm sorry you didn't check them out...

Right.

Look at social democracies for examples, you don't need to look at just the communist examples.

[!! Shawn]

You didn't even read the links.

And the idea is to have the power in the hands of the people, there shouldn't be a "void of power."

No... the point is that violent dictators will always be able to take power from the people because an unorganized group cannot resist violent opposition. Look at what the Taliban has done to the civilians of Pakistan.

[!! Shawn]

Japan isnt REALLY a communist country. It is just heavily socialist which might as well be the same thing....you're simply never going to have a stateless communist government. That would be like the tribes in Africa which kill each other all the time

No, because even they have classes. There is the tribal leader, his inner circle, certain skills are valued above other, etc.

[ILLuminato]

No, because even they have classes. There is the tribal leader, his inner circle, certain skills are valued above other, etc.

Exactly. If someone were to come to America and kill off every government worker, bureaucrat, police, politican, etc.... and burned and destroyed any proof of government....you would have extreme madness for a week or two people robbing eberybody and looting but then after that a social stratosphere would ultimately be established.