Hitler killed millions in the name of atheism

[THe TRiNiTY]

Obviously you're missing the point. His agenda was certainly not of a religious one. Mussolini on the other hand, was a highly outspoken atheist and the Socialist party there was in bed with him.

No, YOU'RE missing the point. He was killling Jews. Now I ask you, DIRECTLY link ANYTHING about Atheism that would make a normal person think that you had to kill only Jews.

You can't do it. All you'll come up with is that 'Atheists are morally corrupt because they have no God in their lives.'

But, that's not statistically found. Fact is, the majority of people in prisons are religious, actually.

Two more things, Atheism has no book that is supposed to represent EVERY Atheist. No SET of commands, no rules. It simply means you question what doesn't provide evidence.

Nothing about that, would indicate that any normal human takes from that, that they should kill everyone who doesn't believe in what they believe in.

King James Bible;

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. -- Deuteronomy 13:6-10

You can FIND NOTHING in terms of what STARTED Atheism that states things like this. Why? Because Atheism isn't a set of standard beliefs. It's simply skeptisism.

The second thing I bring up is this, once again, PROVIDE ANYTHING about the 'fundamentals' of Atheism that would lead someone to murder. WITHOUT using that bull**** of a lack of a moral compass.

ANYTHING. AT ALL.

[ILLuminato]

No, YOU'RE missing the point. He was killling Jews. Now I ask you, DIRECTLY link ANYTHING about Atheism that would make a normal person think that you had to kill only Jews.

There's no moral code to follow which condemns this. Obviously you don't know that Hitler used the persecution of Jews as a political tool to gain power.

You can't do it. All you'll come up with is that 'Atheists are morally corrupt because they have no God in their lives.'

But, that's not statistically found. Fact is, the majority of people in prisons are religious, actually.
Can you prove this at all? If anything people find relgion while they're in prison, does this garbage statistic show that?

Two more things, Atheism has no book that is supposed to represent EVERY Atheist. No SET of commands, no rules. It simply means you question what doesn't provide evidence.
Atheism=saying there's no God and religion is false. Questioning, or skepticism, is not atheism.

Nothing about that, would indicate that any normal human takes from that, that they should kill everyone who doesn't believe in what they believe in.

King James Bible;

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. -- Deuteronomy 13:6-10

You can FIND NOTHING in terms of what STARTED Atheism that states things like this. Why? Because Atheism isn't a set of standard beliefs. It's simply skeptisism.

Again, skepticism is not atheism

The second thing I bring up is this, once again, PROVIDE ANYTHING about the 'fundamentals' of Atheism that would lead someone to murder. WITHOUT using that bull**** of a lack of a moral compass.

ANYTHING. AT ALL.

There's nobody to push them to stop... look on TV and you'll find violence and sex everywhere.

TV and simulated violence/sex is a relatively new idea.

Look at the exponentially increaing number of mass killings in the U.S., the school shootings, and you have to ask yourself, why is this happening? Fact is, the majority of our entertainment deals with violence, and sex, usually combined together, and we've become desensitized to seeing killin and violence.

There's been 35,316,203 abortions ONLY from 1973 to 1996. You have to ask yourself why this is happening in America, and what you have to realize is our irresponsibility in the act of sex. Now, people can convienently have abortions whenever they want. Even babies born impartially due to a failed abortion can now be denied A. medical care and more importantly B. the Constiution. i don't know how anybody speaking with credibility and morality can support this.

With at least I know Christianity, this is considered morally wrong, just as violence is going against everything Christianity and even Islam teaches...I'm not sure about Judaism.... however what I'm saying is that most religions in the right hands preach virtuosity and morality. Atheism does no such thing.

In America, you have two sides of this argument. Obviously with the torture thing going on, it's brought a horrible contradiction to this argument, but here it goes. With help from the liberal media and its politicians, it's now become morally correct to kill a baby born alive due ot a failed abortion, and its become immoral to torture a terrorist who's goal is to take away the freedoms that the babies should have, and instead they want to give the terrorists these same rights and due process.

It's the hypocrisy of democracy, I guess.

[1000 Left Fist]

Hitler Is A Motherphucking Die Hard Christian That's Why He Ended Jews Coz They Were Catholic. I Guess CHristian GOD is Better THan Catholic GOD

[squealpiggy]

Well then you and your atheist goons shouldn't blame violence on religion then either.

Much violence has been committed in the name of religion. None has been committed in the name of atheism. Much was committed in the name of Communism, for example, or of the Reich, or of the "dear leader" but this was inspired by racist, dogmatic ideology, not be atheism itself. Atheism was part of communist ideology, communist ideology was not part of atheism.

Man is obviously flawed, so a lot of times what they say or do for God is bound to be wrong, for better or worse.

Have you actually read the bible? The stuff actually commanded by god is at least as bad as the stuff committed in his name by poor old man. I don't believe in it, but apparently you do.

The whole point of this thread was to show that not only fanatic religious people can create evil, atheists can too

No, the point of this thread was to vilify atheists by fallaciously linking them to Hitler.

Did exactly what I said you would, exagerate to the highest degree, ignore the context..and spew more BS..

So causing brother to rise against brother is not violent? Is it possible to exaggerate the atrocious magnitude of drowning every single person on earth? Threatening people with eternal torture is a barrel of ****ing monkeys now?

all i'm saying is, nothing of what you quoted would inspire anyone to be violent

Then it's fascinating that it has inspired so much violence throughout the ages, isn't it?

You're reasons sound straight from a childrens book. Almost like the kid that get's smacked by his mommy and goes and tells his teacher his mother beat him up.

You've lost me now, what is this supposed to mean?

There's no moral code to follow which condemns this. Obviously you don't know that Hitler used the persecution of Jews as a political tool to gain power.

You obviously haven't read much from Adolf have you? That dude really seriously had a problem with the jews. They weren't convenient, they really were an anaethema.

Atheism=saying there's no God and religion is false. Questioning, or skepticism, is not atheism.

No, atheism is a lack of belief in a god, it goes hand in hand with scepticism because atheists demand evidence for a god before they will go round kissing his ass. Atheism is a form of scepticism.

[ILLuminato]

The USSR which purged its own citizens and killed religious people weren't doing it for atheism???? That's a pretty big statement you made there Squeally... I don't think you can cash that check.

If you really believed Hitler HATED Jews, you aren't realizing how he came to power. First, you have to note that Gottfried Feder, a populist ideologue was a man that influenced Hitler a great deal. In his speech titled "How and by What Means Capitlaism is to Be Eliminated", he talks about appealing to the "little guy", and resents the elites and hierarchy. He also constantly calls Jews parasites. Karl Marx, a Jew himself (who partially influenced Hitler even though AH hated the communists) calls Jews "dirty and ******like". Did either 3 of these men all hate Jews, or was it to gain power of the masses?

Even if Hitler WAS anti-Semitic, which I don't buy, it had to be "scientific", or genetic. Hitler was quick to point out that Jews didn't look like the "rest of the nation", or more importantly, the Aryans.

I think that what Hitler was doing was sparking realistic nationalism in a country that was totally pissed off to begin with. They were blamed for WW1, their country was in the ****ter, and Hitler couldn't mobilize support by blaming a country oversees, or the Brits. What was more convenient than the Jews? He couldn't do this without the support of the CHRISTIANS.

Again, if you still believe Hitler was a man of God, I'm not going to stop you, but that is a fallacy (Squeally's favorite).

And again, skepticism and atheism are two different things. Atheists say "there is no god". Skeptics, or agnostics, are unsure. If you don't believe me, READ A DICTIONARY. Seriously. I don't know how you of all people don't know that. Of course, you feel you can change facts and spin it however you feel.

Hmm, maybe you're just not as smart and informed as I thought you were?

Check. Spin it however you please, because that's what you always do anyway.

[K-Nan]

The USSR which purged its own citizens and killed religious people weren't doing it for atheism???? That's a pretty big statement you made there Squeally... I don't think you can cash that check.

If you really believed Hitler HATED Jews, you aren't realizing how he came to power. First, you have to note that Gottfried Feder, a populist ideologue was a man that influenced Hitler a great deal. In his speech titled "How and by What Means Capitlaism is to Be Eliminated", he talks about appealing to the "little guy", and resents the elites and hierarchy. He also constantly calls Jews parasites. Karl Marx, a Jew himself (who partially influenced Hitler even though AH hated the communists) calls Jews "dirty and ******like". Did either 3 of these men all hate Jews, or was it to gain power of the masses?

Even if Hitler WAS anti-Semitic, which I don't buy, it had to be "scientific", or genetic. Hitler was quick to point out that Jews didn't look like the "rest of the nation", or more importantly, the Aryans.

I think that what Hitler was doing was sparking realistic nationalism in a country that was totally pissed off to begin with. They were blamed for WW1, their country was in the ****ter, and Hitler couldn't mobilize support by blaming a country oversees, or the Brits. What was more convenient than the Jews? He couldn't do this without the support of the CHRISTIANS.

Again, if you still believe Hitler was a man of God, I'm not going to stop you, but that is a fallacy (Squeally's favorite).

And again, skepticism and atheism are two different things. Atheists say "there is no god". Skeptics, or agnostics, are unsure. If you don't believe me, READ A DICTIONARY. Seriously. I don't know how you of all people don't know that. Of course, you feel you can change facts and spin it however you feel.

Hmm, maybe you're just not as smart and informed as I thought you were?

Check. Spin it however you please, because that's what you always do anyway.

Green sent.

[ILLuminato]

Hitler Is A Motherphucking Die Hard Christian That's Why He Ended Jews Coz They Were Catholic. I Guess CHristian GOD is Better THan Catholic GOD

Did you say that when the Mr. HBO forced you to pray in the corner?

[K-Nan]

Haha, you sent me red. I don't see why you guys send me Red K when all I do is try to put out the truth. About 95% of this site is always against me.... I must be getting somewhere?

Yeah, you're really doing a great thing here son. I'm proud of you.

[THe TRiNiTY]

There's nobody to push them to stop... look on TV and you'll find violence and sex everywhere.

So, you mean to tell me that before God of any sort was given as an idea to people, they didn't feel that murdering someone was wrong? They couldn't see that killing somsone left others hurt?

For the record, what's wrong with sex? Unless your a 'Test Tube Baby', you owe it your life.

TV and simulated violence/sex is a relatively new idea.

Relatively? In what sense? Plays and operas had forms of it long before televisions. Though far less graphic, they had forms of it.

Look at the exponentially increaing number of mass killings in the U.S., the school shootings, and you have to ask yourself, why is this happening? Fact is, the majority of our entertainment deals with violence, and sex, usually combined together, and we've become desensitized to seeing killin and violence.

Perhaps all of this is true. And? The majority of film directors and actors in this country would most certainly classify themselves as religious in some form or fashion. For ANY OPEN Atheist actor or film maker you give me, I can give you 10 relatively open religious counterparts. And I'm almost postitive that the films wouldn't have a dramatic difference between them, in terms of the content.

There's been 35,316,203 abortions ONLY from 1973 to 1996. You have to ask yourself why this is happening in America, and what you have to realize is our irresponsibility in the act of sex. Now, people can convienently have abortions whenever they want. Even babies born impartially due to a failed abortion can now be denied A. medical care and more importantly B. the Constiution. i don't know how anybody speaking with credibility and morality can support this.

I agree that the number of abortions is quite high and it does show a lack of preperation and commitment to waiting until your ready for whatever might happen. But none of that has anything to do with Atheism. America is one of the most RELIGIOUS countries on this planet. ONly 15 to 17 percent of this country classify themselves as non-believers.

However, I am still a pro-choice human being. It's not my body, I have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER, to tell someone else what to do with theirs. Neither do you. I won't even get into how scientifically speaking, abortion CAN'T be classified as murder, basing it on what we know of the unborn.

With at least I know Christianity, this is considered morally wrong, just as violence is going against everything Christianity and even Islam teaches...I'm not sure about Judaism.... however what I'm saying is that most religions in the right hands preach virtuosity and morality. Atheism does no such thing.

This is where we DEEPLY disagree. I will admit that some people of a religious mind are very good people. I'd go so far as to say that the majority of those that are religious are decent human beings. However, if you read the Book, it's not a good Book. It's a book at that teaches one to kill those that stray from it's form of beliefs (Deuteronomy 13:6-10). That alone, tells you that it's intolerant, it will kill because of it and that it contradicts one of it's own commandments.

In America, you have two sides of this argument. Obviously with the torture thing going on, it's brought a horrible contradiction to this argument, but here it goes. With help from the liberal media and its politicians, it's now become morally correct to kill a baby born alive due ot a failed abortion, and its become immoral to torture a terrorist who's goal is to take away the freedoms that the babies should have, and instead they want to give the terrorists these same rights and due process.

You can't call them terrorists. You haven't tried them. You talk about the Constitution earlier, about how those failed abortion babies should have rights. I agree with you

But, speaking of rights. Suspects have rights, too. Terrorists can ONLY be classified as SUSPECTS, because we have yet to hold trials. So, they are not criminals/terrorists. They are terrorist suspects. That would be unjust to torture someone if they are a terrorist, but ESPECIALLY if they are mere suspects. However guilty they may seem, these are rights.

If you want to defend a child born after a failed abortion and that childs rights, you can't stop when those same type of rights go to someone you don't like.

[ILLuminato]

So, you mean to tell me that before God of any sort was given as an idea to people, they didn't feel that murdering someone was wrong? They couldn't see that killing somsone left others hurt?

For the record, what's wrong with sex? Unless your a 'Test Tube Baby', you owe it your life.



Relatively? In what sense? Plays and operas had forms of it long before televisions. Though far less graphic, they had forms of it.



Perhaps all of this is true. And? The majority of film directors and actors in this country would most certainly classify themselves as religious in some form or fashion. For ANY OPEN Atheist actor or film maker you give me, I can give you 10 relatively open religious counterparts. And I'm almost postitive that the films wouldn't have a dramatic difference between them, in terms of the content.



I agree that the number of abortions is quite high and it does show a lack of preperation and commitment to waiting until your ready for whatever might happen. But none of that has anything to do with Atheism. America is one of the most RELIGIOUS countries on this planet. ONly 15 to 17 percent of this country classify themselves as non-believers.

However, I am still a pro-choice human being. It's not my body, I have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER, to tell someone else what to do with theirs. Neither do you. I won't even get into how scientifically speaking, abortion CAN'T be classified as murder, basing it on what we know of the unborn.



This is where we DEEPLY disagree. I will admit that some people of a religious mind are very good people. I'd go so far as to say that the majority of those that are religious are decent human beings. However, if you read the Book, it's not a good Book. It's a book at that teaches one to kill those that stray from it's form of beliefs (Deuteronomy 13:6-10). That alone, tells you that it's intolerant, it will kill because of it and that it contradicts one of it's own commandments.



You can't call them terrorists. You haven't tried them. You talk about the Constitution earlier, about how those failed abortion babies should have rights. I agree with you

But, speaking of rights. Suspects have rights, too. Terrorists can ONLY be classified as SUSPECTS, because we have yet to hold trials. So, they are not criminals/terrorists. They are terrorist suspects. That would be unjust to torture someone if they are a terrorist, but ESPECIALLY if they are mere suspects. However guilty they may seem, these are rights.

If you want to defend a child born after a failed abortion and that childs rights, you can't stop when those same type of rights go to someone you don't like.

Khalid Sheikh Mohamed is not a suspect. Neither is Ali Zubaydah.

I could care less about most of the Old Testament. You're taking a way out of left field quote by somebody not too significant in the Christian religion and saying that it represents Christianity, moreso than "THOU SHALT NOT KILL". Let me repeat what it says:THOU SHALT NOT KILL. YOU SHOULD NOT KILL.

Abortion is on the border line of murder, yet REFUSING BORN BABY MEDICAL TREATMENT IS!!!! You don't need to be a Christian to see this.

Another thing is that you call me a test tube baby for saying that American society is irresponsible with their sexual activity, yet you feel that the number of abortions committed today is significantly high. Contradiction???????

plays and operas didn't depict and promote sex and violence lightyears near the way it is today.... I will say however that it is a shame that violence and killing and shooting on TV is not censored yet you can't see beautiful women in their natural form... however I think you'll see if you look into it that most of the time sex is associated with violence in the media.




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