Is boxing wrong?

[Abe Attell]

Boxing is part of life. There are far worse things than Boxing.

But in my honest opinion, in an "Ideal Utopian Reality/Society", Yes, boxing is wrong.

I would rather see a restructering of the educational system in the Poor-Middle Class School systems. Education is far more important, but we don't have it, so until then, Boxing is reality.


Lets also remember that people like boxing because it is two men trying to stand their ground...they are showing that "Man" is still capable of fighting back when forced to physically and mentally.

Physical/Violent sports are still needed in our current situation/society.

Until the "Animal" within all of us ceases to exist, we need such sports to keep our balls working.

[Mishra100]

Boxing is part of life. There are far worse things than Boxing.

But in my honest opinion, in an "Ideal Utopian Reality/Society", Yes, boxing is wrong.

I would rather see a restructering of the educational system in the Poor-Middle Class School systems. Education is far more important, but we don't have it, so until then, Boxing is reality.


Lets also remember that people like boxing because it is two men trying to stand their ground...they are showing that "Man" is still capable of fighting back when forced to physically and mentally.

Physical/Violent sports are still needed in our current situation/society.

Until the "Animal" within all of us ceases to exist, we need such sports to keep our balls working.

Speak for yourself!!

[Neckodeemus]

Morally, is boxing wrong? It's the only sport where fatalities are an aspect of what occurs. There is no way around it, boxing is violence. The apologists say that boxing is an effective way to get kids out of the ******, but sometimes at the expense of their health.

Don't get me wrong, boxing is beautiful. But whenever I see Muhammad Ali shaking or Emmile Griffith can't even remember any of his opponents, it just makes me angry. Beauty and art should not come at the expense of great people's well being.

In a perfect world, boxing wouldn't be harmful to others. We could enjoy ourselves while giving reverance to braver men than ourselves. I can appreciate a master boxer in total command of his craft, like a Pernell Whitaker or a Willy Pep. The truth is though that the appeal of the sport is in the brutality and savageness of disadvantaged youths hurting each other competitively.

I honestly have been trying to break my addiction to the sport, but it's of no use. I understand that morally, it is wrong to hurt anybody. When I decided to start boxing, I promised myself that I wouldn't fight out of the ring and would try my best not to hurt anyone. While trying not to damage another person seriously is noble, it detracts from your performance some in a violent, contact sport.

If boxing was abolished tommorrow, I would be sad for awhile looking for something else to devote all of my time to, but would breathe a sigh of relief for being given flash detox of a drug that is hard to break the cycle of.

I graduated in moral philosophy and can state clearly "No!"

Why not? Well for a start it is not the only sport where fatalities are guaranteed. No matter how good you are if you drive a car at 100mph plus you are likely to crash and burn. Look at Salvador Sanchez.

Actually a violent act is, strictly, a one-way act. Violence is inflicted upon a person. Boxing is a sport, it is a two-way act and the injury is not inflicted by pure violence. It is a by-product of the competition.

Did you weep when Van Gogh cut his ear off? Art involves suffering, that is why artist generally have terrible lives. Nietzsche suffered his whole life to provide art.

You mention Muhammed Ali. Who are you to feel pity for that man. I do not know how old you are but I imagine he did more in an average two years of superstardom than you will achieve in your life, high achievement comes with a high price. Maybe he is finally glad to slow down. He still thinks the way he used to, the problem is in communication. Younger people than Ali are struck down by illness. Michael J. Fox had a similar problem, maybe we should ban films about time travel?

If there is no danger how can you be brave? Answer that one for me. Bravery is standing firm in the face of danger, this is what each and every boxer does. Without the danger/risk there is nothing to admire. No offence pal but that is nonsensical.

Is boxing morally wrong because it is harmful?

Well, is it morally wrong for your dentist to harm you by pulling a tooth even if it leaves you in pain? He stops the tooth rotting and causing more discomfort so no it is not harmful in the slightest even though it causes harm.

Is boxing wrong because it can lead to death/brain damage?

Is it wrong for a doctor to perform on you to save you or make you comfortable by curing you even though putting you under the knife is risking your life? If you lose oxygen to the brain on the table is the doctor in the wrong when you end up brain-damaged?

You seem to assume that later dementia invalidates the great lives some boxers lead.

Boxing saves. That is clear from the history of the sport.

In a perfect world people like yourself would find something else to complain about. The world is not perfect.

Boxing is one of the greatest things about being alive and if you cannot feel it then you really do need to call it a day and take that negativity from the sport.

Boxers get hurt, boxers can die, it is a risk of the job; we do not ask a slider to cease soldiering to protect our sensibilities do we?

Like Clint Eastwood (kind of) said. Those who like boxing can come and watch it, the ones who don't like it? Well they are a bunch of candy-asses

[Mr. Ryan]

yea but...

The fighters understand the risks they are taking BEFORE they ever set foot in a ring. Sure, the rare case of a Muhammad Ali's fate is horrifying, and its certainly enough to want to stop boxing yourself.

But the fact of the matter is, not many people end up that way. Its actually very rare.

The blood and guts warrior "Arturo Gatti" will probably be far better off then Muhammad Ali is now, and hes been hit quite a bit. Holyfield is kind of slurring his words, but I'm sure thats as bad as it'll get.

Banning the sport would be rediculous, just because of a few rare instances. Im sure All the people who died in the ring, and even muhammad ali, would say that it was either worth it, or that the sport should continue going.

Let me tell you, Arturo Gatti was the first boxer I ever met. I was a waiter at the Malibu in Hoboken where he frequents. I was astounded at how syrupy his voice sounds and the ammount of scar tissue on his eyes. Give him a year out of boxing and he will deteriorate dramatically.

It's not at all a rare instance when a boxer suffers severe damage. You can detect abnormalities in a boxers cat scan after 15 pro fights. Almost every boxer goes through these things if you've been around for a long time.

The list is ridiculous. Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Jimmy Young, Jerry Quarrey, Sandy Saddler, I mean it's really just a part of the game. Boxing is beauty and it is art, but should such a price be commensurate with art and beauty?

[Mr. Ryan]

In a perfect world people like yourself would find something else to complain about. The world is not perfect.

I never said the world was perfect, and I have no complaints about boxing. I love boxing more than anything in this world, believe that. I just wanted to address the guilt that has been on my conscience for the last 5 years.

[Pork Chop]

The list is ridiculous. Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Jimmy Young, Jerry Quarrey, Sandy Saddler, I mean it's really just a part of the game. Boxing is beauty and it is art, but should such a price be commensurate with art and beauty?

Yeah, but explain Moore and LaMotta or how Floyd Patterson showed nothing until a year or two before his death.

I would definitely say that the guys who suffered serious injury or death in boxing weren't done in by a single punch, they fought on when they were hurt and in doing so knew the risks they were taking.

[Mr. Ryan]

Yeah, but explain Moore and LaMotta or how Floyd Patterson showed nothing until a year or two before his death.

I would definitely say that the guys who suffered serious injury or death in boxing weren't done in by a single punch, they fought on when they were hurt and in doing so knew the risks they were taking.

Dog, Floyd Patterson suffered terribly up until his death with memory loss. Don't you remember the grand jury testimonies that forced him to resign as NY Boxing Commissioner? He couldn't remember who he fought for the title, how long title fights were, anything like that. He was another reason why I have quarrels with boxing as an institution.

It's more than the brutality, because I myself have given to that vice many times. It's how unforgiving boxing is. Boxing itself doesn't care.

[potatoes]

Morally, is boxing wrong? It's the only sport where fatalities are an aspect of what occurs. There is no way around it, boxing is violence. The apologists say that boxing is an effective way to get kids out of the ******, but sometimes at the expense of their health.

Don't get me wrong, boxing is beautiful. But whenever I see Muhammad Ali shaking or Emmile Griffith can't even remember any of his opponents, it just makes me angry. Beauty and art should not come at the expense of great people's well being.

In a perfect world, boxing wouldn't be harmful to others. We could enjoy ourselves while giving reverance to braver men than ourselves. I can appreciate a master boxer in total command of his craft, like a Pernell Whitaker or a Willy Pep. The truth is though that the appeal of the sport is in the brutality and savageness of disadvantaged youths hurting each other competitively.

I honestly have been trying to break my addiction to the sport, but it's of no use. I understand that morally, it is wrong to hurt anybody. When I decided to start boxing, I promised myself that I wouldn't fight out of the ring and would try my best not to hurt anyone. While trying not to damage another person seriously is noble, it detracts from your performance some in a violent, contact sport.

If boxing was abolished tommorrow, I would be sad for awhile looking for something else to devote all of my time to, but would breathe a sigh of relief for being given flash detox of a drug that is hard to break the cycle of.

Probably the worst thing about boxing is those savages in the audience. The so called fans are far more worse than boxers ever thought of being. Just look at some of the posts in this forum!

[platinummatt!]

Ive been waiting for a thread like this

[Mr. Ryan]

Probably the worst thing about boxing is those savages in the audience. The so called fans are far more worse than boxers ever thought of being. Just look at some of the posts in this forum!

I agree totally. Nobody ever forced our arms behind our back and made us watch this, if we enjoy the brutality of boxing then it must be ingrained in our souls. Boxing is the most cold blooded of all sports because there is no pension plan or anything like that to ensure that boxers are taken care of after they are done. Promoters throw stiffs in there with guys they have no chance in hell of beating so a big attraction can look good.

I was at a fight last winter and this guy who had 20 losses got knocked out in the first round. I asked him why he continues to go through with this. He said "It's Christmastime soon". He's going through all this humiliation so he can make a few extra bucks to get his kids some toys. You know it would crush his children to know what he goes through to make the dough to get ****ing Power Rangers under the tree.