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  • K-DOGG
    Mitakuye Oyasin
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    #11
    Originally posted by Asian Sensation
    Morally, is boxing wrong? It's the only sport where fatalities are an aspect of what occurs. There is no way around it, boxing is violence. The apologists say that boxing is an effective way to get kids out of the ******, but sometimes at the expense of their health.

    Don't get me wrong, boxing is beautiful. But whenever I see Muhammad Ali shaking or Emmile Griffith can't even remember any of his opponents, it just makes me angry. Beauty and art should not come at the expense of great people's well being.

    In a perfect world, boxing wouldn't be harmful to others. We could enjoy ourselves while giving reverance to braver men than ourselves. I can appreciate a master boxer in total command of his craft, like a Pernell Whitaker or a Willy Pep. The truth is though that the appeal of the sport is in the brutality and savageness of disadvantaged youths hurting each other competitively.

    I honestly have been trying to break my addiction to the sport, but it's of no use. I understand that morally, it is wrong to hurt anybody. When I decided to start boxing, I promised myself that I wouldn't fight out of the ring and would try my best not to hurt anyone. While trying not to damage another person seriously is noble, it detracts from your performance some in a violent, contact sport.

    If boxing was abolished tommorrow, I would be sad for awhile looking for something else to devote all of my time to, but would breathe a sigh of relief for being given flash detox of a drug that is hard to break the cycle of.
    You know, I have actually asked myself this question before. The answer, I feel, is a complicated one. We are humans and have a history of violence towards our fellow-man. This history goes back hundreds of thousands of years; it's part of who we are as a species and as a people. We crave it on the most base of levels; violence, combat, etc.

    Maybe someday we will evolve to the point to where we don't; but I don't think so because survival will never go out of style. There will always be a battle of some sort as long as we are in this plain of existance, maybe even in the next, too. Yin and Yang, good and evil, black and white: life is full of extremes and we dwell in the grays in between.

    Boxing helps us to realize and vocalize this primal instinct; and does so in a civlized way. Two boxers, as you know, aren't really trying to do harm to one another; they are just trying to best their man. With some, it's more offensive and intense and with others it's more defenisive and precise. For every Rocky Marciano, there is a Muhammad Ali for each individual expresses their personality through their fists. It is raw, it is bare, it is real.

    I think we need to be reminded of the struggles in life; and boxing does that in it's most stripped down form. I consider it kind of an action-therapy. Righfully or wrongfully, we occassionally transfuse our emotions onto these gladiators when they meet. In 1938, Louis and Schmeling embodied two worlds about to clash as did Ali and Fraizier in 1971. Boxing, as someone once said, is a metaphor for life. We need it as therapy. As long as two men are willing to put on gloves and test each other's skills, we can live vicariously through them as a community. Boxing, I think, is a release valve of sorts.

    Is it wrong? It depends on the intent of the combatants. If their intent is merely to win and prove themself better than their opponent, then no. If their intent is to take their opponent's life, then yes. Also, what do the fans want? Do they want to see a ring death? If so, then yes. If not, then no. Some fans watch fights because they are indeed living vicariously through their favorite fighter, others because they enjoy the nature of the sport itself and how it is almost a living, breathing thing.

    The answer is in intent and desired results.....at least, that was the answer I came to when I asked the same question of myself a few years ago.

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    • GEOFFHAYES
      Juy Hayes
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      #12
      Originally posted by kfootball15
      yea but...

      The fighters understand the risks they are taking BEFORE they ever set foot in a ring.
      Exactly, Benn said to McClellan at the hospital something along the lines "Sorry and all that, Gerald.. but this is boxing, you know?!"

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      • GEOFFHAYES
        Juy Hayes
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        #13
        I knew I could die in action every time I stepped through the ropes when I was boxing.. but that was my choice.

        And if it wasn't for boxing, I'd of been in jail for GBH anyway because I was an angry young man.

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        • El Pollo LoCo
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          #14
          boxers know what they are getting into and as long as we have good refs/officals to monitor a fighter it should be good. after that paul williams fight on saturday i gave this a lil thought myself. as for ali he has parkinson's disease. im sure his boxing career(espeacially in his later years) has somewhat of an impact on him but not to the point where we can be like OMG

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          • -EX-
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            #15
            Yeah I think its wrong if you look at it in a common sense way.


            Every sport can be dangerous though. You could look at football being wrong. Hitting others even though they have equipment on.

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            • Chups
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              #16
              Originally posted by xcaret
              ZzzzZzZzzzzzz 0 replies..
              This guy doesn't know how to count.

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              • blockhead
                the E-enlightened
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                #17
                boxing probably is "wrong" but at least it was honest before it was corrupted and turned into the "fake" sport that it is now.

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                • Pork Chop
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                  #18
                  The only sport where death is an aspect of the sport?

                  Look at racecar driving like Nascar or Formula 1- 2 of the biggest names ever died in races: dale earnhart & ayrton senna.

                  Football's had at least a few deaths- yeah more from taking ephedrine before practise in hot weather, but plenty of guys with permanent paralysis.

                  Even basketball's has had it's fair share of heart failures.

                  Fight sports like boxing are consentual & supervised, which means that it's not on par with a mugging or a streetfight.

                  Don't even start with extreme sports & past-times like bungee jumping or skydiving.

                  Most athletes know there is a long-term cumulative effect to the rigors they put their body through; they know there's a risk that they're not going to be okay.
                  That's part of life.
                  You wake up in the morning and go out the door, knowing you could be hit by a bus.

                  I would say that boxing has the most ecstacy & agony of any sport. Fight sports are the purest form of athletic competition going back to the dawn of time but made as safe as reasonable with modern safety equipment, rules, and supervision.

                  If you wanna see brutal, go watch some Lethwei - bareknuckle Burmese kickboxing with throws, there are 2 refs and often that's not enough- makes a lot of MMA look tame and boring.

                  When I got dumped this summer I went through this phase where I thought fight sports were the most pointless activities in the world. I believe that's how a lot of women look at it. Eventually I got my ballz back and realized the benefits of the discipline and harnessing all that testosterone in a relatively healthy manner.

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                  • Vanilla Gorilla
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                    #19
                    Boxing is a metaphor for Life. Nuff said.

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                    • GEOFFHAYES
                      Juy Hayes
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Vanilla Gorilla
                      Boxing is a metaphor for Life. Nuff said.
                      (after the Benn fight, training for Sherry fight)


                      I had started opening my training sessions up to the public to raise money for charity but also to get across to anyone who was willing to listen, that I was not arrogant. The charge was a nominal fee. Once I had flung open the doors, floods of people came in and I just poured out all this philosophy and advice. Ronnie used to complain, saying, 'You're talking more than you train, kid.' However, I explained to him that I had refined and streamlined the art so well, that to speak to these people was training. As I place so much emphasis on the philosophy behind boxing, a man's integrity and frame of mind, by passing my views about life over to people, I felt like I was honing my own approach, I was training philosophically.

                      Don't get me wrong, you are not going to get in the prime physical condition needed for a world title fight by talking. You have to train relentlessly. Plus, until you have studied the philosophy yourself, learnt the skills flawlessly and perfected the entire package through years of repetition and practice, then you should not be spending energy advising others. However, certain parts of my fighting mechanisms were so well oiled that by offering such advice, I inspired myself and in so doing I became more vibrant and positive. In the face of the brutality of a bout, that could only be a good thing. Ronnie never understood that and neither did anyone else.

                      So what advice did I offer? All sorts, everything. I would present analogies with the practical art of boxing. So, for example, I would espouse the beauty of the right upper cut to the body. As in life, go straight to your target. That doesn't mean there won't be obstacles in your way, there probably will be. You still go straight for the target, just disregard the obstacles, do not let them distract you. Do not lose your focus. There were so many snippets of advice about actual boxing technique or thinking that could literally be applied to almost any general part of life. Boxing is the great metaphor.



                      Chris, Eu-bankrupt!

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