What About The Roger Mayweather Effect?

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  • DLT
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    What About The Roger Mayweather Effect?

    Its long but worth it!

    Most of you will say that how would he have made a difference when Floyd shut him out anyway but I think it may have made a big differnce in Floyd's style of fight. One thing that really threw me off about his camp was the abscence of Roger. I thought the whole time that Roger would run the camp and set the game plan but just not be at the fight but instead they didnt even let him run the camp. Now that I think of it, it may have been because he was locked up but Im not for sure.

    Here is why it changes things. Floyd was trained by his dad his whole life and his dad is a defensive trainer. Then after the Chico fight Roger became his trainer and he is a offensive trainer. Floyd was great with his dad but often times was called a boring fighter. He never stayed offensive and he never wanted to mix it up. Then Roger came and there was a grace period. Those first few fights with Roger he beat the elite guys but he often looked boring & bad in doing it. You could tell that Roger was trying to teach him to be offensive but Floyd was scared to commit to it because he had been taught differently since he was a little boy.

    Thats why till this day I think Castillo gave him problems. Floyd was so scared to be offensive back then. When he traded with Castillo he would get the best of him just like he does now but he would only do it for a second and then get on his bike. After that he had the Sosa fight. He killed Sosa and couldve easily stopped him but he was too scared to stay offensive. He had him hurt every time he went offensive but when then go defensive again. In the post fight interview with Merchant he even said that he was a defensive fighter but he didnt say it in a bragging way, he said it with shame like he was dissapointed that his fights were looking boring and that he couldnt stop guys.

    Then the N'Dou fight came next and thats when he finaly went all out. He used his D and boxed but he stayed offensive and threw alot of punches and came away with the KO. He saw that it worked and he liked it. Ever since that fight he has been super offensive and has never been boring. I remember when he first moved up to 140 he was fighting offensive & the HBO guys were shocked. Manny Steward said that maybe he wants to use this style at the higher weights. How much since does that make? Why would he want to sit down on his punches and trade more against bigger guys? That wasnt it, it was just that he had finally fully converted to his uncle's style.

    Thats why I hate it when people call Floyd boring because they still have there mind set on the old Floyd. He never fights that way anymore. Every fight since the N'Dou fight he has walked guys down and even the couple of fights when he boxed like Gatti & N'Dou, he still stayed offensive and threw alot of punches. Now comes the Baldy fight and Roger isnt in the camp. Now Floyd looks like the old Floyd who boxes but doesnt want to go offensive at all? We will never fully know the truth because Baldy was a big guy so this may have been Roger's game plan also but I seriously doubt it. I bet that if Roger ran this camp then Floyd wouldve been much more aggressive. He's still great when he's defensive and he's may even be harder to beat but it looks boring and doesnt sell tickets. It makes fans boo.
    Last edited by DLT; 11-05-2006, 11:22 AM.
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    I bet that the guys Floyd had was telling him all camp to just box & stay away from him and this will be a easy fight. I bet during the fight they were telling Floyd to just keep doing what your doing while if Roger was there he wouldve told him around that 8th round to go for the KO. You guys know how Roger talks. He wouldve said "He dead now, go ahead & start sitting down on your punches. He's tired & ready to go. Dont worry about trading with him because he's too slow and youve worn him down".

    I bet anything that when Roger talked to Floyd after the fight I bet you he said, "see Floyd, I told you that them guys were going to mess you up. You look good but you looked the same way you did with your dad. Still the best but people are booing and you loosing money. You have to stay offensive. That boxing was good for the first few rounds but after that he had nothing, he couldnt hurt you, and was super slow so why are you going to play it safe when you couldve pulled a Gatti on him"?

    Some people compare this fight to Gatti but I dont know because I havent seen it. However, to me this fight sounds like the 2nd Castillo fight. Alot of people never remember that, they just remember the 1st one. Ive said this many times, go back and rewatch the 2nd fight. Castillo probally doesnt hit Floyd 10 times the whole fight without holding him and the ref allowed it. Boxing has to get a unified code for refs. Some refs allow you to hold & hit and the others will break it up. Like the RJ-Ruiz fight. That ref always broke them up instantly. He wouldnt let Ruiz punch in the tie ups and that was the differnce. In the Floyd-Casillo fight that ref did let Castillo do that. If he didnt allow that then Castillo wouldnt have landed 10 clean punches the whole fight. Go back and rewatch it. He never hits Floyd except for the clinches. This is what this fight sounded like. Floyd going backwards alot and landing a couple of shots but then moving.

    I still till this day say that I would love for Floyd to have given Castillo another fight after the N'Dou fight because Floyd wouldve fought him totally differently. He wouldve been 10x more offensive and I think he wouldve easily beat him that way. I hope this Baldy fight doesnt change Floyd back into that kind of Floyd who fights defensive and just boxes all fight. Its great for the purest but sucks for the fans. I hope he gets back with Roger for his next fight. Now one big thing is that for now on he will be fighting huge guys so he will have to fight like this alot of times but he didnt have to stay that way for the Baldy fight. Against Margarito it wouldve been good but not against Baldy

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