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  • Parody
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    #11
    Originally posted by DYNAMITE-DYE-92
    that cuban amater star guy Teofilo Stevenson
    Yep

    He would have been the second heavyweight boxer to do that if he did fight Ali, after who? One other guy done it to challenge for the HW title in his first professional bout

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    • Yogi
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      #12
      Originally posted by Parody
      Yep

      He would have been the second heavyweight boxer to do that if he did fight Ali, after who? One other guy done it to challenge for the HW title in his first professional bout
      Rademacher.

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      • Yogi
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        #13
        On that same theme, can anybody name the other two fighters that challenged for a world title in their professional debuts?

        Hint: Both fights happened in the lower weight classes.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Yogi
          On that same theme, can anybody name the other two fighters that challenged for a world title in their professional debuts?

          Hint: Both fights happened in the lower weight classes.
          The answers...

          Jack Skelly, who challenged for George Dixon's featherweight title in his debut in 1992, and Rafael Lovera, who challenged Luis Estaba for the vacant WBC light flyweight belt in his debut in 1975...

          Of note, Lovera's manager came up with a fake record and got Lovera ranked as the #1 WBC contender in that division, before the WBC investigated after the fight and found that Lovera had never fought professionally before.

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          • joeytrimble
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            #15
            who was the only person to cut ali ?

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              #16
              Originally posted by Yogi
              The answers...

              Jack Skelly, who challenged for George Dixon's featherweight title in his debut in 1992, and Rafael Lovera, who challenged Luis Estaba for the vacant WBC light flyweight belt in his debut in 1975...

              Of note, Lovera's manager came up with a fake record and got Lovera ranked as the #1 WBC contender in that division, before the WBC investigated after the fight and found that Lovera had never fought professionally before.
              Jack Skelly had one pro fight before the dixon fight.
              He lost on points.

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              • Yogi
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                #17
                Originally posted by PBF34
                Jack Skelly had one pro fight before the dixon fight.
                He lost on points.
                Interesting.

                Don't know if I can agree with that yet, though, because I have some pre-fight, fight, and post-fight reports from that Dixon/Skelly fight (part of the big Corbett/Sullivan card/weekend), and they're constantly refering to Skelly as an "amatuer" in the pre-fights...

                For example, and this was the first pre-fight article I looked at;

                "A dispatch from New Orleans announces the arrival in that city of Jack Skelly, the Brooklyn amateur who is to shy his castor into the proffessional arena and who has an idea that he can give a good account of himself against the featherweight champion."

                Who does BoxRec say Skelly fought first...Johnny Gorman?

                After a quick check;

                "Admirers of Jack Skelly, the undefeated 120 pound boxer of the National Athletic, are discussing with evident satisfaction the announcement that he has at last been matched to fight John J. Gorman, the ex-125 pound champion of America, who represents the Star athletic club. The utmost rivalry has long been manifested by these clever scrappers and matches have been made and broken with the regularity of their more advanced confreres, the professionals (note the differencial between Skelly & Gorman, and the "professionals"). Both Skelly and Gorman are among the most intelligent and manly of the local amateur boxers, their reputations for fairness being well kown.

                The agreement was arrived at early yesterday morning at the rooms of the National athletic club. Skelly will weigh 118 pounds when he enters the ring and Gorman will tip the scales at 125 pounds. This big concession on the part of Skelly may cause some fears to his ability to last the three rounds required by the A.A.U. rules."

                Sounds like Skelly/Gorman was an amatuer fight to me, and a quick look at the actual fight report from the Brooklyn Eagle (the NY Times & Trenton Times also refer to Skelly's "amatuer" staus going into the Dixon fight) also indicates that it was an amatuer fight (definately went only three rounds, I see), so...

                But you can trust BoxRec, if you like.

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                • Southpaw Stinger
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by joeytrimble
                  who was the only person to cut ali ?
                  Bob Foster..

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                  • joeytrimble
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                    #19
                    very good man very good! ...kinda ironic too bob foster

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                    • Piggu
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                      #20
                      .........................bump

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