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See .. thats exactly my point.. What are you basing that on? have you ever seen todays fighters VS yesterdays?
Do you think an all 50s NFL all star team would beat the NFL all stars of today? of course not.. and you know the argument.. so why is boxing any different.. I know in Hockey(my fave team sport) that the last place team today would cream any champoinship team of the 50s .. WHY? knowledge, progress and so forthComment
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That isn't true at all Welter. Not everything is passed on, and many training and fighting techniques have been forgotten. To say Wladimir is better than Louis is also untrue because Wladimir has a faulty chin and lacks Joe's nerves and stamina. Being a contemporary fighter does not make someone better, nor does being an old timer. Really it all comes down to the individual, and not his era.
Dempsey and Louis were capable of creating tremendous force using punches that traveled only a foot or less of distance. Even Mike Tyson did not have that ability, it is a god given talent. Nor did Lennox Lewis or Corrie Sanders. All the modern technology we have at our disposal is not going to give someone the ability to do that. Nor will it give someone a chin or the will to fight with a broken jaw, smashed orbital bone, or dislocated shoulder.
To say modern fighters are better than old timers is just as shortsighted and as bad of a generalization as is saying that all old timers are better than all contemporary fighters.
For the record I think Joe Louis's right hand looks better on film than KT's and was proven to be much more powerful than KT's as evidenced in his demolition of much larger men such as Buddy Baer and Abe Simon. Can you imagine KT laying out durable men who weighed 50 lbs more than him? Try to picture him destroying a 190 lb. Jean Mormeck for instance. Louis was a much greater P4P puncher than KT, regardless of what era he fought in.Comment
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Welter Skelter, I can't believe you're comparing the sport of boxing, which with varying rules to govern it, has been around for thousands of years (documented in Homers' Iliad, as well as other reference materials...even depicted on the caves walls in Ethiopia, which were estimated to go back a thousand or two years before the ancient Greek Olympics), to things like steroes, cars, microwave ovens, and **** like that that have only been around for 25 to 100 years...****ing ridiculous comparisions!
*watches a typical heavyweight fight from today's age where a couple of modern heavyweights huff & puff after a round or two*
(his stamina was better, but the same applies to a modern great like DLH, who was quite frequently exhausted barely half way into a twelve round fight)
Oh yeah, there's been some really excellant advancements in training & conditioning as of late...for sure.
If you say fighters today are better conditioned or whatever, where's the proof?
Or...
What have fighters been doing as of late that they weren't doing way back when (jumping rope, sparring, shadowboxing, hitting the bags, rowing machines, etc., etc., have all been around for ages as a staples in boxing training)?
Steroids, maybe?
Better diet meaning what...Burger King, McDonald's, Pizza Hut, or any other fast food spot that today's fighters seem to enjoy on more than the odd occasion?
What new fighting techniques have they come upon as of late, because everything from the jab, hooks, uppercuts, feints (not as prevailant nowadays), body punching (ditto), parrying (another ditto) footwork, combination punching, defensive movement, etc., etc
And if you want to compare it to other sports keep in mind that those other sports are only in their infant stages when compared to boxing, and as of late, have seen sharp increases in the amount of participants in each sport (exception possibly being baseball). On the opposite spectrum, boxing has seen a drastic decrease in the amount of participants over the last 50 to 60 years or so.Comment
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To KID achilles also.... Guys I will use Gene Tunney as my example.. Back in the day.. He revolutionised HW boxing.. BY.. Boxing.. before him it was lot of slugging, lunging and holding.. Now here comes Tunney making the markers of Queensbury WET with his skill... It works... he beats the baddest man on the planet and suddenly everyone is Boxing.. Now some slugger figures out how to counter the boxing and it works.. for awhile .. till some boxer finds even more ways to beat the slugger and so forth.. add all that Knowledge with better training and diet and i can only conclude that Today is better than yesterday.. You guys are both smart and I am not trying to discredit what you say.. I just see it differntlyComment
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That's false, my friend.
There were plenty of heavyweights around during the early Queensberry age that had used an outside boxing style to their benefit, and studies of fight reports on such fighters as Peter Jackson, Jim Corbett, Tommy Burns, Joe Choynski, Bob Armstrong, etc., etc. (to name but a few of many), all were described as using mainly an outboxing style in their fights.
Bareknucklers like Jem Mace, Mike Donovan, etc, were also described as using mainly a outboxing style.
Heck, even look up some information on Daniel Mendoza, and you'll see that he was given huge credit during his time for the scientific & clever outboxing approach he had to the sport.Comment
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