Miranda to keep #1 Ranking

[GunStar]

I immediately stopped reading that bull **** article you posted after the first ****ing sentence. What a pile of bull **** spouting from pure hatered and nut-huggery at its finest. The sooner people around the world see this fight and see that Miranda was clearly beaten with the point deductions in what otherwise would've been a close fight, the better.

Miranda did not, and should not have won. The only reason he even won the latter half of the fight for the most part was because Arthur was unwilling to engage due to... survey says? A jaw injury caused by an intentional headbutt.

It should also be noted that that bull**** article you pasted is directly from the Miranda camp... so it's not surprising that it's ridiculous.

It was a punch, I guess you didn't download the fight yet!

[Grimgash]

While it doesn't appear that the headbutt was the cause of the jaw injurey at first....what else could have caused it'? The punches Miranda was throwing and not landing with? The headbutt hit AA right at the very back point of the jaw below the ear.

If you want I can get the exact round time of the punch (I am pretty sure) caused it. After he was hit with it he covered up big time and started becoming VERY defensive. It was in round 4. Sec..........bah no round time up, bastards, either way it was ABOUT 40-45 seconds in. The time is 16:11 if you are playing annies vid. Thats what I assume anyhow. The swelling didnt fully take place until maybe round 6-7 though.

[Dirt E Gomez]

I've watched the fight twice. I'm at a friends at the moment but tomorrow when I go back to my place I will look for the time you specify to see if after that punch it is clear that AA has a problem with his jaw. I've had the fight a few days and don't recall where I got it from but I'll watch rounds 3-5 looking for this supposed punch. It wouldn't be too surprising although I only recall seeing Miranda land less than 10 good shots the entire fight.

[moochi]

if you think that injury was caused any other way than from miranda's punches, then you are not just a nut-hugger, but a damn fool!!

why the fk would you need a survey when its on video!!!

even a 2 year old can tell when and how it occurred!!...and definitely when it didn't occurr!!!

grow up and use another excuse for the "only in germany" way!!

[Dirt E Gomez]

if you think that injury was caused any other way than from miranda's punches, then you are not just a nut-hugger, but a damn fool!!

why the fk would you need a survey when its on video!!!

even a 2 year old can tell when and how it occurred!!...and definitely when it didn't occurr!!!

grow up and use another excuse for the "only in germany" way!!

Hah. If you ever happen to find a post of me nuthugging any fighter then it'll be the first I've ever typed. And as for the "survey says" part... it's an experssion. If I wanted people's opinions on how it was caused I'd ask for it. Nice reading comprehension though.

The main point of my post wasn't even about the headbutt. It has little to no bearing on the outcome on how it was caused... HHe was injured which is the entire reason he played defensively for the latter half of the fight. If he was uninjured he would have engaged and continued making Miranda look foolish.

Even in the 2nd half of the fight with a clearly injured jaw and while fighting defensively... he was still landing the better punches each round, just fewer of them (althogh Miranda's shots were landing on nothing but gloves and arms 90% of the time).

[bigtime9]

then you are not just a nut-hugger, but a damn

fool!!

why are you arguing with someone who hasn't seen the fight..gomez is a proud member of ********** they all think Arthur won a decisive victory by just covering up and running for 90% of the fight

[bigtime9]

then you are not just a nut-hugger, but a damn fool!!

why are you arguing with someone who hasn't seen the fight..gomez is a proud member of storm-front they all think Arthur won a decisive victory by just covering up and running for 90% of the fight

[RAESAAD]

I immediately stopped reading that bull **** article you posted after the first ****ing sentence. What a pile of bull **** spouting from pure hatered and nut-huggery at its finest. The sooner people around the world see this fight and see that Miranda was clearly beaten with the point deductions in what otherwise would've been a close fight, the better.

Miranda did not, and should not have won. The only reason he even won the latter half of the fight for the most part was because Arthur was unwilling to engage due to... survey says? A jaw injury caused by an intentional headbutt.

It should also be noted that that bull**** article you pasted is directly from the Miranda camp... so it's not surprising that it's ridiculous.

Damn Gomez are you crazy.....that was a very accurate dscription of what went down last Sat evening..........Dead on if you ask me.I watched it and saw the same thing.

[aljon]

Miranda Camp Statement!

September 29, 2006

Most respected sports writers that have had the opportunity to view the fight have Miranda winning, even after the ridiculous 5 points deducted from him. This will clearly be seen as they independently write their columns over the next few days. Initially, the only reports coming out of Germany were in fact from German reporters. However, now that many reporters are finally viewing the fight for themselves, they believe a crime was committed in Germany. They are all amazed at the poor job performed by the referee as well as the judges. Even more so, they are amazed that Sauerland forced Abraham to continue to fight even though his life was in danger.

Apparently, the IBF agrees with these respected journalists because, on 9/29, they have ruled to leave Edison Miranda at the #1 spot in the world. He remains the mandatory challenger for Abraham’s belt, should Abraham ever make a full recovery. It is suspected that he will remain at the number one spot in the WBO as well. Many independent rankings have actually moved Miranda up in their rankings as opposed to down after the so-called loss.

The overall consensus is that the referee did a miserable job in controlling the fight. He had no command in the ring and was constantly looking for help from the scorer’s table as to which decision to make. Specifically in round 5, he stopped the action due to an intentional head butt by Miranda. The head butt did occur and many feel it was accidental in that Miranda was trying to avoid a rabbit punch by Abraham. Some do feel it was an intentional head butt. After breaking the action for the head butt, Abraham started to receive medical attention for not his head, but his broken jaw and blood- gushing lip. These injuries all came from clean punches that Miranda landed earlier in the fight. The ringside physician did not only inspect his lip, but tried effortlessly to stop the bleeding. In fact, another person from the stands believed to be a doctor came up to the ring to assist him as well. This treatment continued for almost 5 minutes. Additionally, the doctor was never called to the ring by the referee to attend to Abraham which is an infraction of IBF rules since it was in the middle of a round. The doctor was receiving all types of medical supplies from people in the stands as well as from Sauerland employees as well as from Abraham’s actual cut man. It was apparent that this doctor was not inspecting the injury, but trying to prevent the bleeding so Abraham could continue.

Finally, Lindsey Tucker, the supervisor from the IBF, is heard telling the referee (Randy Neumann) that ‘the corner is trying to convince the doctor to stop the fight’. Neumann quickly decided to go to the scorecards suggesting that he thought the cut on the lip came from the head butt. However, anyone watching the fight, including, Neumann, could clearly see that blood was flowing from Abraham since round 4. Also, after the head butt, Abraham, held his glove to his ear, far away from the jaw and lip injury signifying that the head butt had nothing to do with his lip injury.

Then, the doctor signals to the referee to stop the fight due to the injured lip! Neumann responds by saying ‘that’s the fight, right?”. Then, not having a clue as to what to do, Neumann, asks the someone at ringside “oh, he can’t fight so what do you want to do?”. He then says ‘it’s an intentional foul, we go to the cards’. After deducting 2 points from Miranda and for some reason anxious to go to the cards, Neumann then says, ‘he butted him in the head, that didn’t cut the lip….it’s an intentional foul…let’s go to the cards….we’ll go to the cards.’ This further illustrates Neumann’s lack of experience. A seasoned referee should know that a fight that can not continue due to an intentional foul results in a disqualification, not a score card situation. Still, while all of this is going on, Abraham is receiving top notch medical treatment to his lip, not his head.

Then, Leon Margules, Miranda’s promoter gets Neumann’s attention and explains to him that if the fight can not continue due to the lip it’s a TKO. The next words coming from Neumann are ‘that’s true, that’s true, TKO…the head butt was up here, TKO, TKO….he can’t continue because of the lip…he loses 2 points but he wins the TKO…the head butt was up here.’. After hearing Neumann call the fight a TKO, Wilfried Sauerland, Abraham’s promoter, has security quickly and forcefully escort both Leon Margules as well as Steve Benbasat, Miranda’s manager out of the area and back to their seats on the opposite side of the ring. Now, without any disturbances, Sauerland gets the attention of Neumann to which Neumann responds, ‘you want to go on? …ok’. Neumann then tells Abraham ‘you gonna fight, do you want to fight?’. Abraham clearly shakes his head and says ‘NO’. Then, someone yells to Abraham from his corner telling Abraham in German ‘you have to go on, be a man’. The ref let a brief consultation occur between Abraham and his corner after this comment. Then, the ref says yet again, ‘ok, you ready to fight?’. Abraham shrugs his shoulder reluctantly suggesting yes. Then the fight continues.

As the fight continues, the ringside physician, who originally told Neumann to stop the fight only looks on from a distance at Abraham’s corner the remainder of the fight as opposed to giving him a thorough inspection after each round to see if he can continue. The only exception is after round 9, when the doctor sticks his finger in Abraham’s mouth for a brief second to which Abraham screamed back in pain. Three times between rounds Abraham strongly suggested he can not continue. After round 4, he said ‘I’m broken’. After round 5, Abraham said ‘I can’t do it’. After round 11, Abraham said, ‘I’m kaput (destroyed)’. This entire time, Ulli Wegner, Abraham’s trainer, argues with Abraham in German telling him to ‘be an Indian…be a man…you can do it….you must continue or you lose…come on, it’s nothing (referring to the jaw and lip)….it doesn’t matter, you’re gonna be the champ.’ The most disturbing thing is that the actual ringside physician can be clearly heard in German telling Abraham after round 11 ‘you can not lose the game, keep going my friend, you keep the champ’. This is supposed to be the independent man watching after his health. Instead he has become one of his cornermen and cheerleaders.

Because of the mishandling of Abraham’s health, he was rushed to the hospital immediately after the fight for a 3 hour emergency surgery. He was admitted into intensive care due to his loss of blood and life threatening injuries. He lost 1 liter of blood during the course of the fight, which equates to approximately 17% of his entire blood volume. He had 2 titanium rods inserted into his jaw along with 22 screws in order to hold his face together. He can only eat fluids for a period of 6 weeks while his jaw is also required to be wired shut. Almost one week after the fight, he is still in the hospital. It was quite a gruesome scene as one can see from visiting the photos on Sauerland’s website.

Aside from horrific events in the 5th round, Neumann’s officiating was extremely questionable according to almost every professional in the business. He called 3 low blows on Miranda, which the replays clearly show were perfectly legal shots. Only one ended up landing low, but only after it grazed off of Abraham’s elbow forcing it to land low. In fact, one time he only called the low blow on Miranda after he saw Abraham hurt. Neumann's actions clearly indicated he was going to let the fight continue until he saw Abraham clutch his stomach.

Neumann’s instructions before the fight were to ‘protect yourself at all times’. However, when Miranda charged after a sleeping Abraham on two occasions, Neumann actually stopped Miranda in his tracks. During one of the stops, he actually asked Abraham if he was ‘okay’. During the course of the fight, Neumann instructed Abraham to stop holding Miranda approximately 15+ times. Abraham did not listen to Neumann’s instructions and Neumann had to actually pry them apart. No points or warnings were ever issued to Abraham for this. Neumann might have been correct in calling Miranda for an intentional headbutt, although many experts believe it was accidental. However, in the 10th round, Abraham charged forward with a deliberate head butt that was never called. One could clearly see the favorable protection Neumann was giving the ailing Abraham.

Many journalists believe that a crime was committed in Wetzlar that night. A young, talented fighter was forced to continue against his will. In fact, his promoter, Wilfried Sauerland, overruled the decision of the fighter, the doctor, and even the referee. He may have won the fight, but many experts in boxing as well as doctors, believe that Abraham will never fight again. If he does fight again, he will never be the same. As for Neumann, he almost had someone die in his ring that night. For a man whose job is to protect the safety of the fighters, he had complete disregard for the health of Abraham. He never once ordered the doctor to examine Abraham. In fact, when the doctor told Neumann that Abraham can not continue, he ignored him completely. Instead, he listened to Wilfried Sauerland.

This is funny, next you're gona start seeing people cry about it...

[Pantera2000]

It is a good read and very accurate as to the events that happened. Now that the IBF reviewed the fight, they agree with Miranda's Team. As the DVD's of the fight are being distributed to the top sport writers we are also seeing them agreeing with Team Pantera. I don't know what else needs to be said or proven, but the people who really count think there was a bull**** corrupt fight in Germany that night!!!!