Summary of Abraham - Miranda

[:Bobby:]

Having a dozen threads to one topic, or fight, is kind of confusing.
Let's please summarize our thoughts and results.

Who showed more class after all?
- Arthur Abraham.

Who had the cooler ringwalk?
- Both, about even.

Who won the majority of the first four rounds?
- Definitely Abraham, three out of four.

Was the headbutt intentional?
- I think so, yes.

Did the headbutt cause the broken jaw?
- No. The injury occured in the fourth round, not in the fifth.

Should the bout have been stopped in the fifth round?
- I think so, yes, it should. There were major risks, the injury was too severe.

Who should have been declared the winner then?
- Edison Miranda.

So, was Miranda robbed?
- No, not really. He had the chance to beat Abraham, but failed.

Is Arthur one of the bravest boxers out there?
- Yes, he showed tremendous heart.

Who won most of the rounds?
- Arthur Abraham, but it was kind of close.

Were the deductions of five ponts in total fair?
- Yes. Maybe even a disqualification would have been fair, but then most guys would have called "robbery".

Should there be a rematch?
Yes, would be huge.

Additional thoughts?
- ..........

Please, answer all these questions. Thanks in advance.

[VanesBoxing]

I agree with every single point you make.

very accurate assesment of the fight night and what has been going around in the threads since yesterday.

except cooler walk: KING ARTHUR

The bout could have/should have been stopped, BUT IT DIDNT, and this is where we seperated MEN from the boys. Miranda couldnt stop a fighter with a broken jaw, and then Abraham showed more heart and determination to finish out the fight and get the Unanimous Decision VICTORY.

[:Bobby:]

Thank you, my friend.

[PunchDrunk]

Who showed more class after all?
- Arthur Abraham.

Who had the cooler ringwalk?
- Don't care about that type of stuff.

Who won the majority of the first four rounds?
- 1st 10-10, 2nd/3rd 10-9 Miranda, 4th 10-9 Abraham

Was the headbutt intentional?
- No doubt about it.

Did the headbutt cause the broken jaw?
- No. The injury occured in the fourth round, not in the fifth.

Should the bout have been stopped in the fifth round?
- Yes it should. The fact that it didn't says A LOT about what occurs in Germany, fight wise.

Who should have been declared the winner then?
- Edison Miranda.

So, was Miranda robbed?
- Yes. He should have had a TKO at this point.

Is Arthur one of the bravest boxers out there?
- He showed tremendous heart.

Who won most of the rounds?
- Miranda wins 9 or 10 rounds, 1 even, 1 or 2 for Abraham. working for 20 seconds of a round and running for 2:40 doesn't win you rounds.

Were the deductions of five ponts in total fair?
- In my opinion, a fighter should be disqualified after 3 point deductions. Which means that Miranda should have been disqualified at some point in the fight.

Should there be a rematch?
- Yes, but NOT in Germany!

Additional thoughts?
- The fight was a disgrace to boxing. Miranda's behaviour was unforgivable. The incompetence of the referee, judges, doctor and supervisor was unforgivable.
I'm left with 3 different views of who should have won the fight:

1. Miranda by TKO, since Abraham should have been stopped in the 5th.

2. Abraham by DQ, since Miranda fouled so many times. No way can you get FIVE points deducted, and be allowed to finish the fight.

3. Miranda on points, since Abraham didn't do any fighting for 90% of the fight. He held on for dear life which is commendable in his situation, but that doesn't win a fight.

All in all, they need to go at it again in a place where the people sorrounding the fight won't allow it to turn into such a ridiculous mess.

Edit: I just want to point out that I rooted for Abraham in this fight.

[:Bobby:]

Thanks for your very detailed post.
I agree that there was a lot of chaos. Happens too often at boxing, we all know that.

[DiegoFuego]

Just wanted to add that the fight is being overhyped too. Nothing too spectacular in this one other than Abraham's bravery.

[Toddy]

Having a dozen threads to one topic, or fight, is kind of confusing.
Let's please summarize our thoughts and results.

Who showed more class after all?
- Arthur Abraham.

Who had the cooler ringwalk?
- Both, about even.

Who won the majority of the first four rounds?
- Definitely Abraham, three out of four.

Was the headbutt intentional?
- I think so, yes.

Did the headbutt cause the broken jaw?
- No. The injury occured in the fourth round, not in the fifth.

Should the bout have been stopped in the fifth round?
- I think so, yes, it should. There were major risks, the injury was too severe.

Who should have been declared the winner then?
- Edison Miranda.

So, was Miranda robbed?
- No, not really. He had the chance to beat Abraham, but failed.
Is Arthur one of the bravest boxers out there?
- Yes, he showed tremendous heart.

Who won most of the rounds?
- Arthur Abraham, but it was kind of close.

Were the deductions of five ponts in total fair?
- Yes. Maybe even a disqualification would have been fair, but then most guys would have called "robbery".

Should there be a rematch?
Yes, would be huge.

Additional thoughts?
- ..........

Please, answer all these questions. Thanks in advance.

i agree with this point especially because miranda had a very good chance of beatin him after his jaw broke but didnt. im not tyrin to take anythin away from abraham as he did show brilliant heart

[GunStar]

Having a dozen threads to one topic, or fight, is kind of confusing.
Let's please summarize our thoughts and results.

Who showed more class after all?
- Arthur Abraham.

Who had the cooler ringwalk?
- Both, about even.

Who won the majority of the first four rounds?
- Definitely Abraham, three out of four.

Was the headbutt intentional?
- I think so, yes.

Did the headbutt cause the broken jaw?
- No. The injury occured in the fourth round, not in the fifth.

Should the bout have been stopped in the fifth round?
- I think so, yes, it should. There were major risks, the injury was too severe.

Who should have been declared the winner then?
- Edison Miranda.

So, was Miranda robbed?
- No, not really. He had the chance to beat Abraham, but failed.

Is Arthur one of the bravest boxers out there?
- Yes, he showed tremendous heart.

Who won most of the rounds?
- Arthur Abraham, but it was kind of close.

Were the deductions of five ponts in total fair?
- Yes. Maybe even a disqualification would have been fair, but then most guys would have called "robbery".

Should there be a rematch?
Yes, would be huge.

Additional thoughts?
- ..........

Please, answer all these questions. Thanks in advance.

Yes and yes! 5 points was a joke, unless your an Abraham nut-hugger.

Abraham winning more rounds is another joke, unless your Abraham's nut-hugger.

[GunStar]

Also I will like to add, if I was a fan of Abraham I will not be very proud of this UD win, the only think I will be proud of Abraham is fighting with a broken jaw.

I was neutral and I was not a big fan either fighter! I had Miranda winning 8 rounds!

[Red_Menace]

Just wanted to add that the fight is being overhyped too. Nothing too spectacular in this one other than Abraham's bravery.

Yes, this fight was not that good. I suppose I already knew what was going to happen before I watched it, so that takes a lot out of it. It was definitely not a good action fight.

The fight should have been stopped, for Abraham's health, in the 5th round. After that, It was basically 7 rounds of a guy who couldn't finish an opponent that was there to be finished. Miranda not only couldn't finish, but he should have been able to win unimpressively on the cards, but he was too undisciplined to do that either.