2 Things Learned from Abraham-Miranda

I think what is was really is that Calzaghe has no big televised fights. People simply don't watch him. If Showtime gave up on him, that's pretty sad. He just didn't fight anybody good. Lacy was at least going after a guy with a title (Vanderpool) and fighting gritty contenders like Sheika and Pemberton and Reid, just going out there and putting on a good show. Calzaghe probably damaged his career beyond repair by wasting the last 4 years doing nothing. So to see Calzaghe fight, you either caught his few Showtime acts in 2003-2004 or downloaded one of 2 or 3 available fights, in at least two of which he gets knocked down by less than stellar punchers. People figured Lacy would crack his chin for good. You can't be blamed for picking Lacy because when a guy avoids good competition all his career and finally steps up against an unknown, you figure he avoided good competition for a reason. Picking Calzaghe to win really proved nothing. A bunch of homers picked him to win out of pride but even they had no idea Calzaghe was this good because he never proved it against good opponents. I guess what I'm trying to say is, nobody should have picked Calzaghe to win that except his family and the people that trained with him.

Diego, you know me and you are cool, but you really need to stop throwing around ****ing bull****, you know that, right?

I mean, no offence, but it's getting to the point that you talk so much **** every time I read one of your posts I have to wipe my screen with toilet paper afterwards.

Even if I was Welsh I'd take offence at being told that I wasn't able to deduce Calzaghe would win on points because I'm a "homer". But telling English posters they're "homers" cos you don't know the difference between England/Wales and "Britain" is just ****ing ignorance on your part.

As for Lacy, ****ing Christ, my 60 year old aunt watched him fighting Pemberton (a "gritty contender"? He turned up to pay off his mortgage and was ****ting his pants) and said to me "he misses a lot, doesn't he?" about Lacy, whom she liked. Now, why the **** can a 60 year old woman point out something about Lacy that no supposedly "intelligent" boxing fan on here could do?

So Lacy fought "contenders" like Sheika and Robin Reid? That'll be the same Sheika that Joe Blow KO'd in five and took Lacy the distance, right? The same Robin Reid that gave Blow a decent bout... six years before he fought Lacy. So Lacy TKO'd a shot Reid... and let's not forget it was all off the back of an ILLEGAL blow.

If you read into Blow's career (as in, do RESEARCH) you'll see that his chin is solid, and his recent KDs (against Salem, for example) were due to lack of concentration with his surrounding divorce. The Mitchell one was legit, but he recovered well enough from that.

Bottom line is, the inexperience of Lacy and technical gaps in his arsenal lead me to believe that the vastly more experienced Blow would be able to take advantage. I did this by downloading fights like anyone else was able to do. The fact that you were behind the untested, raw Lacy says to me that maybe it's not those backing Calzaghe that were the "homers"...

[DiegoFuego]

No, I just have more respect for fighters that actually take on good opponents. From 2004-2005, Lacy fought equal opposition to Calzaghe's entire career. I was going with the kid that wanted to take on big fights and win them instead of the guy who had avoided them his whole career. I didn't respect Roy Jones for never fighting a solid opponent between Toney and Tarver, and I'll treat Calzaghe the same way. Calzaghe and Lacy were equal unknowns to most experts in the boxing world going into March this year, so a pick either way isn't bad, but they're both also just guesses because neither guy had done anything up to that to prove he was the real deal. It's just that Lacy did more in less time.

[DiegoFuego]

It's the same reason I picked Tarver to beat Roy for the first fight. Most people thought I was crazy, but I saw one fighter who wanted to win a big fight and another who liked coasting against mediocre talent. What does Tarver do as soon as he beats Roy? Take on all the big names he can, even if it is just for money. He fought Johnson, the best available lightweight, gave Roy another chance, went after Hopkins, and even called out Tyson. I have more respect for the fighters that try to make the big fights.

No, I just have more respect for fighters that actually take on good opponents. From 2004-2005, Lacy fought equal opposition to Calzaghe's entire career. I was going with the kid that wanted to take on big fights and win them instead of the guy who had avoided them his whole career. I didn't respect Roy Jones for never fighting a solid opponent between Toney and Tarver, and I'll treat Calzaghe the same way. Calzaghe and Lacy were equal unknowns to most experts in the boxing world going into March this year, so a pick either way isn't bad, but they're both also just guesses because neither guy had done anything up to that to prove he was the real deal. It's just that Lacy did more in less time.

A lot of that is still subjective... I'd probably take a shot Eubank over any of Lacy's resume. Let's not forget that - regardless of whether he did it in less time or not - he was taken the distance and wobbled by a man Joe took out in five.

A lot of people were still inclined to believe that the opportunities hadn't come Joe's way... he'd offered out Jones, Hopkins, amongst others. Injuries also put him out. These might seem like excuses, but as it proved, when he got chance to step up (against relatively untested Lacy) he delivered. It's amusing to me that even after Joe has beaten Lacy, people still throw the "homer" aspertions around.

[DiegoFuego]

you can also look back to threads leading up to that fight and find me saying I wouldn't be surprised by a victory either way (Calzaghe-Lacy that is).

[DiegoFuego]

A lot of that is still subjective... I'd probably take a shot Eubank over any of Lacy's resume. Let's not forget that - regardless of whether he did it in less time or not - he was taken the distance and wobbled by a man Joe took out in five.

A lot of people were still inclined to believe that the opportunities hadn't come Joe's way... he'd offered out Jones, Hopkins, amongst others. Injuries also put him out. These might seem like excuses, but as it proved, when he got chance to step up (against relatively untested Lacy) he delivered. It's amusing to me that even after Joe has beaten Lacy, people still throw the "homer" aspertions around.

I think Calzaghe is great now that he finally got a chance to show it. He's in my top 6 p4p. But he has to follow up with real meaningful fights. You can't come out for one big fight against an untested fighter and go back to your old ways. You have to keep proving that **** fight after fight and try to get your ass in the Hall of Fame.

you can also look back to threads leading up to that fight and find me saying I wouldn't be surprised by a victory either way (Calzaghe-Lacy that is).

That's fair enough, but it was you throwing the "homer" motif around.

[Smokin']

That's fair enough, but it was you throwing the "homer" motif around.

That's not a motif, brother.

That's not a motif, brother.

Say what, swizzle ****?

[Smokin']

Say what, swizzle ****?

HEY! My **** isn't THAT small....