Why do so many people hate on peek-a-boo style heavyweights?

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

I didnt know it was about size.


Speed, timing, boxing ability. Tyson was very skilled in all 3.

Why have seperate weight divisions then?

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

He didnt take a dive. The ref stopped the fight.
Plus he was getting nailed with shots on the inside and couldnt control Tyson.

Look at the first knockdown.

It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the punch did not land.

And yet the guy goes down like a sack of potatoes?

Hmmmmm.

The sad thing is that when Svarease dropped his gard, Tyson could knock him cold.

Tyson never had the LEVERAGE to knock a 6'5 (with decent weight) man out.

[Abe Attell]

Tyson can beat big guys? Sorry, but he would be destroyed.

Boxing is also about who can clinch well, and a man that small will get walked around the ring 10 times out of 10.

Prime Tyson would not compete today.

And you are going to argue about him beating Heavyweights of the future?

In the future, the average heavyweight will be 300lbs and 6'5.

But little mikey destroys them, right

Primo Carnera was bigger than everybody in his day and he got his ass kicked.

Sam Langford was able to box with the heavyweights of his day and he was a welter/middle.

Jameel McCline is huge, but was beat by little Chris Byrd.

These guys may be bigger, but it seems with a lot of them once the body is pushed to a certain limit, it starts to hurt their speed, agility, and endurance...even guys like Valuev can't seem to punch as hard as someone smaller.


Maybe as the years progress, with some type of new nutrition plan, evolution, drugs or whatever, humans can be bigger without it effected their overall performance.

Big guys tend to die faster too

[Abe Attell]

The 6'5 guys he were fighting were as light as a feather.

Saverease who, was not heavy, but was mediocore in the weight department, took a dive - so that does not count.

So anybody that weighs 220 is "light as a feather"?

What about Bruno and Ruddock? I think both Bruno and Ruddock weighed around 228lbs in the first fight...Ruddock weighed in the high 230s the second time, and not sure about Bruno, but he got bigger.


What about Foreman? he was only weighing in the 220's in his first career...I guess he would get killed

So are you saying that if Shaq, at 7'3, 340lbs fought Tyson, Foreman, Liston, etc. that Shaq would win?

[Abe Attell]

I have to agree to an extent here. I mean just compare prime Lennox Lewis and prime Tyson or prime Dempsey and prime Tunney. When prime Tyson or Dempsey stepped into the ring, they were expected them to dominate, and generally the opponent was given very little chance. Now you look at guys like Tunney and Lewis, they didn't have that invincibility about them like Tyson/Dempsey, you always knew there was that chance that they could lose, which is probably why Lennox Lewis gets credit for beating up on past their primes Holyfield and Tyson, but Tyson doesn't get credit for beating a Larry Holmes who was much closer to his prime than either of them were, while doing it in much more impressive fashion.

This goes with the point that people thought Mike Tyson was "Godzilla" even though he was 5'11, 220 and facing bigger guys...if you look back at his fights, taller guys that looked down at Mike were the ones that were showing fear.

Lets not forget people, some of the best fighting dogs are American Pitbulls...I used to think because of their size the Great Dane would kick any dogs ass...the Romans used them, why couldn't they beat any dog...well, I got older, knew some people, and heard that the fights they may or may not have seen , saw the Pitbulls go right for the Great Danes throat, and they were out.


If size were everything, the British would of kicked our ass...Napoleon wouldn't have been able to go as far as he did in Europe...the Mongolian Empire would have never been...Alexander the Great was highly out-numbered against the Persians and just about every other army he faced...lets also not forget about the 300 Spartans who held for many days fighting against incredible odds against the Persian force...many battles have been fought where the army that ended up winning were the army that was originally out-numbered.

Allen Iverson wouldn't have been able to play in the NBA

Barry Sanders should have been killed

[The Noose]

Why have seperate weight divisions then?

I think you'll find there arent seperate divisions within the heavyweight division.

I would choose a smaller faster big punching heavyweight with stamina to beat a much larger slower heavyweight with poor stamina.

[HEAVYWEIGHT BOX]

I think you'll find there arent seperate divisions within the heavyweight division.

I would choose a smaller faster big punching heavyweight with stamina to beat a much larger slower heavyweight with poor stamina.

"within the heavyweight DIVISION"

You just pwned yourself!

[The Noose]

Look at the first knockdown.

It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the punch did not land.

And yet the guy goes down like a sack of potatoes?

Hmmmmm.

The sad thing is that when Svarease dropped his gard, Tyson could knock him cold.

Tyson never had the LEVERAGE to knock a 6'5 (with decent weight) man out.

Proven by whom?
I watched the fight only 2 days ago. A punch landed but not cleanly.


Tyrell Biggs was 6'5 and 229
Mike Jameson was 6'4 and 236
Frank Bruno 6'3 and 247
Ruddock 6'3 and 238
Tony Tubbs was 6'3 and 238
All big men and he stopped them all.

Plus he was beaten by Holfield 6'2 and 218
Buster Douglas 6'3 231

Size although a factor, doesnt mean that much wen talking about skilled fighters.

[Red_Menace]

The thing I always find silly is people say those old heavyweights couldn't fight now because the new heavys are too big ... well, look at James Toney. I think he's proof enough that having good boxing skills, a solid chin and an old school style can take you far in todays heavy-weight division.

edit: corrected typo ... find = fight

[The Noose]

"within the heavyweight DIVISION"

You just pwned yourself!

lol. No. U didnt understand my point.