James Toney all-time or all-time fraud

[Rudyo]

all time great skills, but not all time great accomplishments... stack up what he's done against nard, leonard, ali, duran, louis and SRR and he comes up short, but thats not insulting when you look at who you're comparing him to...

except for the fact, that he is higher on the list then bernard hopkins

[Manny_P]

What do you guys think.I dont believe hes an all-time great.To rise that many weight classes and be competitive in every one of em is really impressive.I think he just suffered a little by bad training habits and balooning.He could have been an all-time legend in my eyes.

nice sig...

[THE REAL NINJA]

fraud ???? How so ? you are yet to make a point that supports your claim

[Sir_Jose]

What do you guys think.I dont believe hes an all-time great.To rise that many weight classes and be competitive in every one of em is really impressive.I think he just suffered a little by bad training habits and balooning.He could have been an all-time legend in my eyes.

resize your sig, not only is it the single gayest thing on this web site its looks ****ing ******ed how big it is.

I mean do you look at that and yeah that looks good.

[restless_438]

seriously, fix your signature...

and no, i do consider Toney an all time great, champion in multiple weight classes, what, are you trying to make me hate Paul Malignaggi?

seriously, i'm gonna take what Truth looked up and post it again (cause it's that real):

• The WBA Heavyweight Champion 4/30/2005 Ruled no-decision
• The Ring Magazine “2003 Fighter of the Year”
• USA Today “2003 Fighter of the Year”
• World championship fights - 10-1-1
• Rated WBO #1, The Ring #5, WBC #3, WBA #3, IBF #4 at heavyweight
• Former IBF cruiserweight world champion
• Former IBF super middleweight world champion, 3 successful defenses
• Former IBF middleweight world champion, 6 successful defenses
• Former USBA light heavyweight champion
• The Ring Magazine “1991 Fighter of the Year” www.jamestoney.com

you consider Toney a "fraud" you got alot to learn about boxing..

[loui_ludwig]

LEt see what Toney can accomplish in the heavyweight division before we can judge him if his an all time great.

[Truth]

LEt see what Toney can accomplish in the heavyweight division before we can judge him if his an all time great.

If he retired now, hes an all time great in most peoples minds. Could he have been greater had he kept himself in shape? Yes. Is he still a great fighter reguardless? Yes.

[Sir_Jose]

LEt see what Toney can accomplish in the heavyweight division before we can judge him if his an all time great.

The fact that he was a MIDDLEWEIGHT and is even fighting guys at 240lbs and schooling them speaks to his talent.

[Truth]

The fact that he was a MIDDLEWEIGHT and is even fighting guys at 240lbs and schooling them speaks to his talent.

That says it all...Hes 5'8 and started his career at middleweight and hes fighting guys 6'3, 257 pounds. You have to be great to do that.

[THE REAL NINJA]

The fact that he was a MIDDLEWEIGHT and is even fighting guys at 240lbs and schooling them speaks to his talent.

This is just silly now what he does from this point on is not really going to hurt him . He is what 38 and is an all time great no matter what happens from this point on, it only makes him better .