how would Toney have done against Wlad?

[DiegoFuego]

Hey, I was just thinking of you....wanted to make sure you had a good visual so you could comprehend it. Think of me as an "expert/special ed teacher".

I just don't like how you fancy yourself an expert when I don't even consider myself one yet I was leading the Boxing Scene Prediction League before its apparent demise. It's easy to say WLAD WINS EASY but if you don't explain why (like Knives did), then it's a pretty empty post and thought.

[K-DOGG]

I just don't like how you fancy yourself an expert when I don't even consider myself one yet I was leading the Boxing Scene Prediction League before its apparent demise. It's easy to say WLAD WINS EASY but if you don't explain why (like Knives did), then it's a pretty empty post and thought.

I never said I considered myself an "expert". I've been following the sport since 1975; but that doesn't make me an "expert". I'm always learning something new.

You want my reasoning, okay. Wlad is 6'6", and around 240 Lbs and is a skilled boxer with very good punching power. Toney is 5'8" and usually tips the scales around 230 Lbs and couldn't bust a g**** in a food fight at heavyweight. He has nothing to keep Wlad off of him, nothing to get Wlad's respect; and while he may be the most defensively skilled fighting north of 200, he was not particularly impressive against Hasim Rahman in his last fight, and I consider Rahman only slightly above average. Wladimir would destroy Rahman inside of 6 rounds and with, quite possibly, more brutality than he displayed against Bryd, who hits about as hard as Toney.

Would Wladimir steamroll, Toney? In all honesty, given his style, probably not; but he would stop him after a dominating performance around the 7th or 8th. Why did I say "steamroller and a ****roach"? I was trying to underline how competitive or non-competitive such a match-up would be in my humble opinion.

James Toney is one of the best pound-4-pound fighters to come along in decades; but there's only so far that will take you. He is incredibly skilled and far above any of his heavyweight contemporaries in this regard. The "X-Factor" is where the problem lies for James. Power is the boss in the big-boy division; you don't have to be George Foreman but you better be able to put some hurt on your opponent if you want to be successful at the elite level. Dominick Guinn, John Ruiz, and Hasim Rahman are NOT elite level fighters. They, well John and Hasim are above average; but they are not on the same level as a Lennox Lewis, a prime Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Rid**** Bowe, Vitali Klitschko or, yes, even a Wladimir Klitschko...who is the only elite fighter out there right now, that we know of.

Peter may or not be; but he definetly appears to have "elite" power if nothing else. And while I have gone on record picking Peter to win by a knock-out, I will be Toney's loudest cheerleader for a title-shot should he prove me wrong. I have tremendous respect for James Toney and all he's accomplished; but I just feel this is beyond him. In the olden days when guys like Langford and Fitzsimmons and the first Jack Dempsey beat men bigger than themselves, they were not only fighting men who's skill level was no where near their own; but they also had enough pop in their punches to make those men warry. James doesn't have that; and we're going to see just how far James can go as a heavyweight, I feel, on Saturday night.

Until he beats a crude but powerful puncher like Peter, I cannot fathom him beating a skilled, powerful puncher like Klitschio.l...that is why I said "steamroller and a ****roach" because, right now, that's how much chance I give James of winning such a match.

[j]

contrary to popular belief, i think wladimir has been working on his "inside game." notice how he was putting pressure on byrd near the end of that fight.

[TheEvilSaint]

gave wlad sore shins.