Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Crawford-Porter, Warrington, Canelo, Breland, More

[boxingnut82]

Daily Bread Mailbag - best read in boxing!

[Thuglife Nelo]

Typical contradicting all over the place mailbag.

The trying to justify Gatti being in the HOF while claiming better fighters don't deserve it is weak,& exactly what I'm used to from Bread who has to be the most biased knowledgeable historian in boxing.

He says "I think Canelos a future hofer" oh really you think? & That hes APPROACHING atg if he wins like 2-3 more top fights, GTFOH biased, you're the same guy who was waxing lyrical about Loma being an atg since before he even fought anyone at 135(let alone that I proved him & all loma fans fos(about atg claims) with my prediction that Teo would beat him,Teo who y'all said was green no hoper Loma would ko)(& I could've sworn he considers Bud an ATG?)

Canelos cv is miles above the rest of his era after his career of fighting more top fighters than anyone including Floyd & Ward since 2010 on, & hes doing it in divisions where nobody especially careerlong detractors like Bread ever envisioned he could, divisions where he gives up every advantage possible despite being the cashcow & despite not needing to fight who hes fighting.

If Canelo is not already an ATG then boxing is already dead. Hes beating everyone near his divisions 1 by 1. And hed beat Ward if he ever came back,thats without question,Ward at his absolute best could barely beat Kov(arguably)& was kd by Krushers Vodka power,& Canelo kod unconscious a kov who had extra half day to rehydrate & who had a much better gameplan(& coach)than Wards opponent 2 yrs prior(If kov didn't get kod late all haters would be saying how great Ward was & that Kov was robbed by ginger,but since he was kod hes automatically "a old bum"). (The fact that bread is now again moving goalposts to 5'8 jmw Canelo vs 6' careerlong smw Ward(whom was viewed as way too big for Canelo to even fantasize about the matchup til now) shows how good Canelo is.

Cue the crybaby haters claiming me saying what is common sense amounts to nutriding Canelo

At this rate and stage in boxing, I’ve given up to defend Canelo. His path seems on the right direction. If we get Yildirim, BJS, Plant, Dec?, industry will implode that Canelo is the best thing in boxing and industry will acknowledge it. Bread loves boxing, it even he knows at some point the doubts or narratives towards Canelo fade away as time goes on. All we have is our own joy and timeframe for the sport and Canelo represents our sport fine. Sure the variable is that other boxers aren’t destined the star power or can’t land major prize fights (which is why Charlos vs Andrade isn’t happening or Crawford vs Spence), BUT THE GOLDEN RULE in boxing is that you’re not star draw puller you gotta risks for your own legacy.

[kushking]

At this rate and stage in boxing, I’ve given up to defend Canelo. His path seems on the right direction. If we get Yildirim, BJS, Plant, Dec?, industry will implode that Canelo is the best thing in boxing and industry will acknowledge it. Bread loves boxing, it even he knows at some point the doubts or narratives towards Canelo fade away as time goes on. All we have is our own joy and timeframe for the sport and Canelo represents our sport fine. Sure the variable is that other boxers aren’t destined the star power or can’t land major prize fights (which is why Charlos vs Andrade isn’t happening or Crawford vs Spence), BUT THE GOLDEN RULE in boxing is that you’re not star draw puller you gotta risks for your own legacy.

Canelo is literally the only fighter in all of boxing doing what everyone claims a fighters supposed to do to be ATG. (Theres a few others who are also kindve doing the same but not for near as long)

If Canelo is not already an ATG(higher than Ward who is deified after careers over but whom was ridiculed while active for his 16 kos & "featherfist") then no current fighter besides Pac has any hope of being one either.

Ward was a excellent fighter who I was among few fans of,but hes hella overrated because he retired undefeated & because he beat Kov under weird circumstances after getting kd in 1st fight & arguably losing.

In order for me to rate Ward as highly as Canelo,Ward would have to have beaten more champs & especially have fought after Kov rematch. He took safety 1st route after Kov by retiring in order to protect his 0. He had a very inactive,& breif career,Canelo has already accomplished more imho.(Ward is definitely the best of his era though)

The main thing I don't like about boxing & commentators is they are biased af & don't measure fighters equally,they choose who to rate & how.

It shows when Bread says Ward at 168 was almost unbeatable,you can't just romanticize a fighter yrs after they retire & deify them based on nostalgia,boxing doesn't work that way.

And you can't romanticize Gatti as being great just because he died either, especially over better fighters who were better but not hofers.

[greeneye99]

Typical contradicting all over the place mailbag.

The trying to justify Gatti being in the HOF while claiming better fighters don't deserve it is weak,& exactly what I'm used to from Bread who has to be the most biased butknowledgeable historian in boxing.

He says "I think Canelos a future hofer"oh really you think?& That hes APPROACHING atg if he wins like 2-3 more top fights, GTFO biased, you're the same guy who was waxing lyrical about Loma being an atg since before he even fought anyone at 135(let alone that I proved him & all loma fans fos(about atg claims) with my prediction that Teo would beat him,Teo who y'all said was green no hoper Loma would ko)(& I could've sworn he considers Bud an ATG?,& He also acts like "featherfisted" Ward is now almost unbeatable & an ATG despite Canelo already being higher atg,clearly)

Canelos cv is miles above the rest of his era after his career of fighting more top fighters than anyone including Floyd & Ward since 2010 on, & hes doing it in divisions where nobody especially careerlong detractors like Bread ever envisioned he could, divisions where he gives up every advantage possible despite being the cashcow & not needing to fight who hes fighting.

If Canelo is not already an ATG then boxing is already dead. Hes beating everyone near his divisions 1 by 1. Ward at his absolute best could barely beat Kov(arguably)& was kd by Krushers Vodka power,& Canelo kod unconscious a kov who had extra half day to rehydrate & who had a much better gameplan(& coach)than Wards opponent 2 yrs prior(If kov didn't get kod late all haters would be saying how great Ward was & that Kov was robbed by ginger,but since he was kod hes automatically "a old bum"). (The fact that bread is now again moving goalposts to 5'8 jmw Canelo vs 6' careerlong smw Ward(whom was viewed as way too big for Canelo to even fantasize about the matchup til now) shows how good Canelo is.

And just because Canelo kod Kov & not ggg doesn't mean ggg is not a baby mini Kov(he is) it just shows Canelos improved & carries power up.

Cue the haters claiming me saying what is common sense amounts to nutriding Canelo

Do You ever agree with anything in Doug's Mailbag
Man you luv to critique everything Doug writes....it's your opinion but give credit sometimes
Suggestions
Your Reply Post are nearly just as long as Doug's Mailbag soo maybe you should start your own Mailbag
Lololololol

[kushking]

Do You ever agree with anything in Doug's Mailbag
Man you luv to critique everything Doug writes....it's your opinion but give credit sometimes
Suggestions
Your Reply Post are nearly just as long as Doug's Mailbag soo maybe you should start your own Mailbag
Lololololol

Because I actually explain things I disagree with & why. Unlike the usual 1 sentence drivel y'all write that doesn't include any actual substance.

Fwiw I normally don't read mailbags very often,but I notice when ppl are biased af & move goalposts to fit narratives.

And your response is actually the same thing I think about Canelo detractors (they only see bad,not good)
This the usual convos around here: 1 poster

"X fighter sucks,y fighter beats them & is greater"

Reply: "No they don't you a nuthugger,x fighters better.

Reply: " they both suck z fighters better & higher atg.

Reply: " Duuuur,why all the walls of text?"

[ShoulderRoll]

Not a bad mailbag. I do wish though we would talk more about active fighters than long retired fighters.

Not saying history isn't important but is it really sane to have mailbags be 70 percent old school and only 30 percent curreent, active fighters?

I feel like it should be the other way around.

Bread can only answer the questions that his readers send to him.

Write in with a question of your own about an active fighter.

[Jab jab boom]

Typical contradicting all over the place mailbag.

The trying to justify Gatti being in the HOF while claiming better fighters don't deserve it is weak,& exactly what I'm used to from Bread who has to be the most biased butknowledgeable historian in boxing.

He says "I think Canelos a future hofer"oh really you think?& That hes APPROACHING atg if he wins like 2-3 more top fights, GTFO biased, you're the same guy who was waxing lyrical about Loma being an atg since before he even fought anyone at 135(let alone that I proved him & all loma fans fos(about atg claims) with my prediction that Teo would beat him,Teo who y'all said was green no hoper Loma would ko)(& I could've sworn he considers Bud an ATG?,& He also acts like "featherfisted" Ward is now almost unbeatable & an ATG despite Canelo already being higher atg,clearly)

Canelos cv is miles above the rest of his era after his career of fighting more top fighters than anyone including Floyd & Ward since 2010 on, & hes doing it in divisions where nobody especially careerlong detractors like Bread ever envisioned he could, divisions where he gives up every advantage possible despite being the cashcow & not needing to fight who hes fighting.

If Canelo is not already an ATG then boxing is already dead. Hes beating everyone near his divisions 1 by 1. Ward at his absolute best could barely beat Kov(arguably)& was kd by Krushers Vodka power,& Canelo kod unconscious a kov who had extra half day to rehydrate & who had a much better gameplan(& coach)than Wards opponent 2 yrs prior(If kov didn't get kod late all haters would be saying how great Ward was & that Kov was robbed by ginger,but since he was kod hes automatically "a old bum"). (The fact that bread is now again moving goalposts to 5'8 jmw Canelo vs 6' careerlong smw Ward(whom was viewed as way too big for Canelo to even fantasize about the matchup til now) shows how good Canelo is.

And just because Canelo kod Kov & not ggg doesn't mean ggg is not a baby mini Kov(he is) it just shows Canelos improved & carries power up.

Cue the haters claiming me saying what is common sense amounts to nutriding Canelo

wahhhh, Bread doesn’t love Canelo as much as I do. Let me write a long ass whiney novel about why I’m butthurt. Stfu ya phag.

[Shadoww702]

What really made me dislike GGG was a) comparing him to B-Hop! b) When he said he would only fight Ward @ 164, but he wouldn't mind fighting JCC Jr. @ 168! B1tch move!

GGG got mad skillz!!! We all know that. And he has stones or he wouldn't of made it this far.

I'm like u just wishing he would of took more risks. The MW division was dog sht buried in more dog sht during his prime. Dudes like Kurbsidze, Blanco, Tureno, Heiland were #1's. I mean tiny ass Cotto was Ring magazine #1 at MW!!!

I cant really blame GGG for that but he also didn't move out of his lane for bigger fights at higher weights. I mean HBO was saying GGG destroying guys like Kovalov in sparring. And stopping CW's like Bute.

But he kept calling Ward out with having zero intentions of fighting him. It was just to hype his fights out with current BUMS

[Shadoww702]

I can 100% say for sure if Andre Ward was still fighting at 168 Canelo would fight him. Win or lose. We ALL know after every fight BOTH would he asked about them fighting even more than Spence vs. Crawford.

But Canelo and Ward would actually do it...

[kushking]

I can 100% say for sure if Andre Ward was still fighting at 168 Canelo would fight him. Win or lose. We ALL know after every fight BOTH would he asked about them fighting even more than Spence vs. Crawford.

But Canelo and Ward would actually do it...

I used to get tons of sht from Kov fans back in the day because I defended Ward & would sht on Kov,but Kov proved to me that I was dead wrong about him,he wasn't"foldalev"as I used to call him,he WAS the krusher who was willing to fight anyone & ducks no man(he just came up short v Canelo & Ward & avenged his loss to Alvarez by a rebirth that is truly among most impressive ever imho in the thorough schooling rematch)

Ward was always that old school g who is definitely an ATG & best of his era.(My definition of ATG)
But Kov was great too, like Ggg.(Ward & Canelo were just overall careerwise better imho)

I remember the days when many Canelo/Ward fans on here used to compare Ward to Canelo because both were willing to do what fighters like ggg used to lie about doing, moving up & fighting all the best fighters available despite not needing to.

Ward & Canelo should both be celebrated because they are willing to personify true throwback fighters & put boxing on their back ,but fighters like ggg & Kov were right there with them both skillwise,but just came up short & ggg didn't test himself by chasing non gingers(ggg faced Canelo not as good as current version either(pre peak),Kov faced best version of Ward possible & in many ppls eyes was robbed in 1st fight,& 2nd fight should've had at least been given a 10 count)

Ggg despite being older than Canelo has very lil wear & tear,half rds boxed & yet aged himself horribly by taking long layoffs.