resume before facing Canelo: BJS and GGG

[deathofaclown]

Anyway, before I start, I’m a fan of both. GGG is one of my favourite fighters of the last decade, but when you consider many mad him rated very highly in the P4P list. Would you say his resume was that much better than BJS?

Saunders has wins over: Andy Lee, Eubank, Lemieux, Monroe, Murray, John Ryder. Some world champs in there and guys unlucky not to have won world titles such as Ryder v Smith and Murray a few times.

GGG had 3 common opponents. Jacobs in a fight that may have gone either way.

GGG probably had the slightly better resume, but it’s funny how one was considered a top level elite p4p fighter and one not, when you would say their resume wasn’t actually that far apart in quality.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Anyway, before I start, I’m a fan of both. GGG is one of my favourite fighters of the last decade, but when you consider many mad him rated very highly in the P4P list. Would you say his resume was that much better than BJS?

Saunders has wins over: Andy Lee, Eubank, Lemieux, Monroe, Murray, John Ryder. Some world champs in there and guys unlucky not to have won world titles such as Ryder v Smith and Murray a few times.

GGG had 3 common opponents. Jacobs in a fight that may have gone either way.

GGG probably had the slightly better resume, but it’s funny how one was considered a top level elite p4p fighter and one not, when you would say their resume wasn’t actually that far apart in quality.

GGG KO'd Lemieux, Monroe, and Murray. Also, Andy Lee vs GGG never finalized. That was a fight supposed to happen long ago, and given GGG's defensive IQ, I think GGG would've won a UD or the corner would've stopped it with Lee. GGG's just that guy.

Therefore, Eubank and Ryder are differentials to GGG, which, I think Jacobs would easily beat them.

GGG has always been superior to BJS in every aspect.

[Zaroku]

I like this post!!! Nothing to add.. just appreciating boxing fans like me

[sunny31]

Anyway, before I start, I’m a fan of both. GGG is one of my favourite fighters of the last decade, but when you consider many mad him rated very highly in the P4P list. Would you say his resume was that much better than BJS?

Saunders has wins over: Andy Lee, Eubank, Lemieux, Monroe, Murray, John Ryder. Some world champs in there and guys unlucky not to have won world titles such as Ryder v Smith and Murray a few times.

GGG had 3 common opponents. Jacobs in a fight that may have gone either way.

GGG probably had the slightly better resume, but it’s funny how one was considered a top level elite p4p fighter and one not, when you would say their resume wasn’t actually that far apart in quality.

I think the hype on GGG was crazy over the top, never a p4p 1 type of fighter, any time he faces a b level fighter or above, you're going to see him struggle.

Having said that, since Brook he has really impressed me, and he is actually better than I thought he was (never believed the hype when he was facing C's and D's). He is one of those guys who will always struggle at elite level because he doesnt have fantastic speed or reflexes...BUT more often than not he will win. His consistency, workrate, jab, chin, and power make him formidable. His control of distance and timing is also on point - I do think he falls short against someone like Hopkins in his prime, but the list of fighters he would lose to is pretty small I'd say.

BJS has to show he can make that jump also. He hasn't fought a Jacob's, Derv, Canelo yet but yes up to that point resume is quite similar. Let's not underestimate the difference in those levels though...it will be a big jump in class for BJS

[Earl-Hickey]

His resume isn't much better than BJS, no and I think BJS is the more talented fighter also. Notice I said talented there not skilled, as GGG is very well schooled.

I think BJS a couple of years ago had the ability to give Canelo fits, with his elusivness, footspeed and unorthodox angles. Canelo loves guys who aren't that mobile.

But I think BJS pissed away his prime and this is likely to be a retirement cheque.

That being said, unpredictable gypsies (Fury) have proved me wrong in the past so maybe BJS will blow my mind and put in the performance of his career.

[Nash out]

Anyway, before I start, I’m a fan of both. GGG is one of my favourite fighters of the last decade, but when you consider many mad him rated very highly in the P4P list. Would you say his resume was that much better than BJS?

Saunders has wins over: Andy Lee, Eubank, Lemieux, Monroe, Murray, John Ryder. Some world champs in there and guys unlucky not to have won world titles such as Ryder v Smith and Murray a few times.

GGG had 3 common opponents. Jacobs in a fight that may have gone either way.

GGG probably had the slightly better resume, but it’s funny how one was considered a top level elite p4p fighter and one not, when you would say their resume wasn’t actually that far apart in quality.

I get your points, but close or not, Golovkin beat Jacobs which is a better win that any BJS has, on top of that, he has an official draw with Canelo, which aside from an early 4 rounder, is the only fight Canelo has not won in a million years, except Mayweather, that's a great result, in a fight almost everyone had him winning.

He lost a very close decision in the rematch, in again, a fight many thought he won. Can BJS push Canelo as close? or get a draw with Canelo? I personally don't think so, and I'm a massive fan of Saunders.

Another thing, Saunders has been really poor in victories against mediocre opponents, whereas Golovkin generally splattered them in one sided beatings.

Saunders looked brilliant vs Lemieux, and in spells vs Andy Lee, but even in the lee fight, where I felt he built up a big lead, he really faded down the stretch and won quite closely on points.

Saunders at his best is super slick, great on the eyes, but can he hang with the Canelo's of the world? I will say though, it's a fight that needs to be seen, as even when BJS has not performed, he has found a way to win.

[QueensburyRules]

Anyway, before I start, I’m a fan of both. GGG is one of my favourite fighters of the last decade, but when you consider many mad him rated very highly in the P4P list. Would you say his resume was that much better than BJS?

Saunders has wins over: Andy Lee, Eubank, Lemieux, Monroe, Murray, John Ryder. Some world champs in there and guys unlucky not to have won world titles such as Ryder v Smith and Murray a few times.

GGG had 3 common opponents. Jacobs in a fight that may have gone either way.

GGG probably had the slightly better resume, but it’s funny how one was considered a top level elite p4p fighter and one not, when you would say their resume wasn’t actually that far apart in quality.

- -Dumboist Post of the Year, DPY.

[DreamFighter]

in terms of wins they both have the same top wins level, Lemeiux level.

GGG boasts Miracle Man, and BJ has Andy Lee,

They are about level.

But sure GGG is obv the bigger KO artist, BJS is the better slick boxer.

However GGG has a draw with Canello that may put him above BJS.
Yet BJS has titles at two weights, which should put him above GGG.

Both have some kind of case for being elite either now or in the future, since Canelo has only been beaten by elite, and BJS is unbeaten. I would expect them to both add some elite win to 100% confirm that - let see if they can make that jump.

[_Rexy_]

When you fight guys matters too though. Golovkin fought Murray in 2015 when Murray was 33 years old and 29-1-1 while Saunders fought him a couple months ago when he was 37 years old and had a record of 39-5-1. A lot of fans dont seem to account for time. I noticed that when guys were bragging about how Joe Joyce got Stiverne out of there faster than Wilder did in their first match (which was five years earlier)