Comments Thread For: Hearn: Deontay Wilder Has Completely Lost His Mind

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

I disagree. Ortiz is the best out there aside from the big 3 and he got ko'd twice

Ortiz is now even older and slower at this point...going the distance with previously ko’d Hammer and Malik Scott is not impressive of the Wilder labeled “boogie-man”. Ortiz ONLY impressive win was Jennings years ago. Fought cans most of career and turned down a shot against AJ.

[Redgloveman]

I'm almost surprised that you said that but since you responded to me I guess you had to have an argument. Ortiz is actually ranked 5th in the Ring ratings. Boxrec is not a real rankings system fyi.

So even by the source that you have chosen he’s not 4th best.

Ring also include a Champion with the numbers referring to contender status, so actually Ortiz is 6th according to Ring.

Not saying I agree he should be rated that highly by anyone, but there you go.

[jmrf4435]

There are posters trying to defend wilder on here..

is is a race thing???Because Wilder is wrong on every level and looks like he may have down syndrome

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

There are posters trying to defend wilder on here..

is is a race thing???Because Wilder is wrong on every level and looks like he may have down syndrome

Lol!! Classic!

[mysteriomonkie]

1st the suit was to heavy, then the gloves his corner checked and watched being put on had extra padding....now his trainer drugged him. For a guy that has failed to agree a rematch and was beaten up over two fights he talks a lot. Fury isn't liked by everyone, but he's a good boxer, much better than Wilder, and he hits hard with both hands. You can only fight what's in front of you, but you have to be realistic about what that is. There are less than 5 really good heavyweights, ALL of them can get knocked out by someone not as good as them. Wilder didn't train for 12 rounds against a good boxer. You can't cover up and absorb punishment waiting to get one big shot off if that opponent is going to be hitting you in the body, over and over again. To win against Fury you have to fight him back....and he didn't do that. The ref should have stopped the fight long before the towel came in and Wilder should have known he got soundly beaten up in the previous fight when Fury was out of shape. Fat Fury did 12 rounds smacking him around, what did he think fit Fury was going to do to him?

[Boxing Goat]

No one asked him to fight Ortiz twice in favor of Joshua . That was 3 years ago . What title fight do you feel he had to fight Opponent A or opponent B , maybe a Gerald Washington as well because he was nice to him ? Everyone knows the people who were put in front of him were hand picked including Stiverne out of boxing 2 years basically,there were literally maybe 2 guys out of 6 fights not including Fury that he didn’t hand pick so there was no he had to defeat who was in front of him that’s a made up argument.

Most of Wilder fights were carefully planned . Fury wasn’t in the picture until 2019 and that was also carefully planned thinking he wasn’t ready so what about the years from 2015 to 2018 as Wilder held the title ? What fight besides Breazeale do you feel he needed to fight who was in front of him , where his grade as a fighter is unjustified ?

Are we in the same conversation or what

[Boxing Goat]

So even by the source that you have chosen he’s not 4th best.

Ring also include a Champion with the numbers referring to contender status, so actually Ortiz is 6th according to Ring.

Not saying I agree he should be rated that highly by anyone, but there you go.

No, I said he is fourth best, I was just embarrassing you for citing boxrec as an actual ranking source.

[Boxing Goat]

Ortiz is now even older and slower at this point...going the distance with previously ko’d Hammer and Malik Scott is not impressive of the Wilder labeled “boogie-man”. Ortiz ONLY impressive win was Jennings years ago. Fought cans most of career and turned down a shot against AJ.

The only shot he turned down against AJ was when he had unfinished business with Fury. How convenient that offer was made then. Wilder called their bluff when they made him a low ball offer. That said, I still feel pretty confident that Wilder would leave AJ twitching on the canvas

To reiterate: Fury and AJ are the only heavies that have a chance of beating Wilder. Everyone else is cannon fodder

[Blackstarr]

The only shot he turned down against AJ was when he had unfinished business with Fury. How convenient that offer was made then. Wilder called their bluff when they made him a low ball offer. That said, I still feel pretty confident that Wilder would leave AJ twitching on the canvas

To reiterate: Fury and AJ are the only heavies that have a chance of beating Wilder. Everyone else is cannon fodder

You definitely need to go back and check your timelines so that you can at least pretend to be more credible next time. There was no talk of an imminent Fury rematch at the time of the AJ offer, as Fury had gone separate ways to sign a co-promotional deal with Top Rank. The only thing on Wilder’s plate at the time was his BS mandatory against Brezeale, which DAZN offered to pay $20m for as part of a broader package for the AJ fight.

And how can you be so confident with Wilder? What is there on his resume that gives you the impression everyone else is cannon fodder? Wilder lost almost every round against an aged Ortiz on blood pressure meds who has achieved nothing significant as an amateur or pro, and he routinely drops rounds to C-level journeymen. Against the likes of Ruiz, Povetkin and even Whyte, Wilder won’t have the luxury of doing the same without having his chin cracked or his body folded.

[Blackstarr]

No, I said he is fourth best, I was just embarrassing you for citing boxrec as an actual ranking source.

But seriously, how can you rank Ortiz above fighters like Ruiz and Parker who have won titles, when he himself has no significant win? And how is he possibly better than
Povetkin who won an Olympic gold medal and in his old age outclassed Hughie Fury, drew against Michael Hunter and almost killed Dillian Whyte? Never mind the fact Ortiz ducked AJ and shamelessly tried to deny any contact before Hearn exposed his lies (reminds me of someone else come to think of it...)

The only possible reason for ranking Ortiz so high is to make Wilder’s resume seem more credible. There’s literally no other sense to it.